Which EoD specs will be meta and where?

[grx.8714]

There is a lot of disappointment for the new specs, but also they announced some balances of firebrand, scourge and renegade.

 

They will have to push the new specs.

 

I feel like harbinger will find place in every gamemode, because necro always does. Maybe not immediately, but for sure will be meta in pvp with a support, meta for zergs, and if scourge gets nerfed will see play in pve.

 

Vindicator maybe will attempt to replace shiro herald in pvp with his +1 high burst role, I don't see it replace the other two specs in pve or wvw, maybe will be just a viable variant for power damage and roaming in wvw.

 

Specter will probably be meta in duo small scale roaming, due to being thief in wvw plus the support can provide to a single ally. Someone say will be the ritualist in pve, not much expert on that so we will see. In pvp maybe will be a decent roamer, but also capable of being a duelist, depending on the meta.

 

Mechanist will be super annoying in pvp 100%, if you think ft scrapper is braindead and kitten now, wait and see for ft or nade mechanist, will probably be the first nerfed of the specs for sure.

 

The rest of the specs I don't know, virtuoso seems a meme, untamed seems not finished, catalyst has the potential to be very trash or crazy op sidenoder, probably meta will decide on that.

Willbender and bladesworn feels similar in some aspects with their fighter playstyle, maybe could be a new era for warriors with a roaming +1 playstyle, have no idea.

 

What you guys think overall?

[SeTect.5918]

14 minutes ago, grx.8714 said:

Mechanist will be super annoying in pvp 100%, if you think ft scrapper is braindead and kitten now, wait and see for ft or nade mechanist, will probably be the first nerfed of the specs for sure.

Mechanist has no grenade barrage. Scrapper is far better with both grenade kit and FT. Mechanist doesn't have toolbelt skills and not the barrier Generation of scrapper, also less condi cleanse and no stealth. Quickness is also far better with auto attack of FT than alac. The only reason why Mechanist Was so good in pvp, was bc of the very high mech dmg -> which will be nerfed anyway bc AI is pvp is...yes...

However PvP is the smallest of the 3 gamemodes anyway, so I wouldn't fully focus on this when you look at an e spec. Power Mechanist Was good in pvp but is trash in PvE, I dont even know why they made a power traitline since we have 2 other power focused e specs already. 

My thought is, that Mechanist will have a fairly okay alac build tho. And hopefully a good condi build. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by SeTect.5918

[Buran.3796]

   Specter has potential in PvP. The other 8 not.

   Vindicator will be used in PvE by people which like to play power Revs, but soon abandoned for most of them after noiticing that condi Renegade/Herald is easy mode.

   Mechanist will be popular in PvE, specially in OW. I liked the Bladesworn in PvE. 

[Zacchary.6183]

People keep forgetting that specter has AoE healing and great res potential through shadestep and consume. Anything that requires heavy group healing is going to want at least one specter with all bottom traits and shadowsteps out the wazoo.

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

Bladesworn: nowhere.

[The Boz.2038]

11 hours ago, grx.8714 said:

because necro always does

* lauging emoji *

[grx.8714]

2 hours ago, The Boz.2038 said:

* lauging emoji *

Yeah laugh when it's 2 years of the same pvp/wvw necro dominance meta. Not expert of serious endgame pve, but I heard necro is a stable in every group there too.

 

Wish I could say the same for other professions.

Keep laugh.

[The Boz.2038]

A year and nine months of finally being meta in any content, after seven years of nothing, yeah. Laugh emoji.

[Bale.3851]

2 hours ago, grx.8714 said:

Yeah laugh when it's 2 years of the same pvp/wvw necro dominance meta

 

Same can be said about firebrand, scrapper or herald. Btw scourge gets nerfed so in wvw and pve there will be less necros. Leaving Spvp with core necro being to strong. Which will hopefully change with eod balance patch mixing up the whole meta. Hopefully 100nades also gets a nerf. But this a different discussion with serveral post....

 

But notheless harbinger is garbage in pvp and i mean on virtuoso level. Serval "pro" players pointed out why. So i would disagree with your statement that this specc will be fine in any kind of content.

 

16 hours ago, grx.8714 said:

Specter will probably be meta in duo small scale roaming, due to being thief in wvw plus the support can provide to a single ally. Someone say will be the ritualist in pve, not much expert on that so we will see. In pvp maybe will be a decent roamer, but also capable of being a duelist, depending on the meta.

Assuming the healing amount on dodge will stay the same vindicator will be quite oppressive in wvw roaming/spvp with energy sigil / adventurer runes.

 

16 hours ago, grx.8714 said:

Specter will probably be meta in duo small scale roaming, due to being thief in wvw plus the support can provide to a single ally. Someone say will be the ritualist in pve, not much expert on that so we will see. In pvp maybe will be a decent roamer, but also capable of being a duelist, depending on the meta.

Played it in beta 4 and it hast crazy burst with 80% alac uptime on a full power build. Kinda busted if you ask me. There is a reason why core necro has nearly no mobility and specter shows why.

 

16 hours ago, grx.8714 said:

Mechanist will be super annoying in pvp 100%, if you think ft scrapper is braindead and kitten now, wait and see for ft or nade mechanist, will probably be the first nerfed of the specs for sure.

Its super nasty in spvp if played for bunker with perma alac but scrapper still beats it. Dunno why i expected more of anet for this especc....

[grx.8714]

6 hours ago, Bale.3851 said:

 

Same can be said about firebrand, scrapper or herald. Btw scourge gets nerfed so in wvw and pve there will be less necros. Leaving Spvp with core necro being to strong. Which will hopefully change with eod balance patch mixing up the whole meta. Hopefully 100nades also gets a nerf. But this a different discussion with serveral post....

 

But notheless harbinger is garbage in pvp and i mean on virtuoso level. Serval "pro" players pointed out why. So i would disagree with your statement that this specc will be fine in any kind of content.

 

Assuming the healing amount on dodge will stay the same vindicator will be quite oppressive in wvw roaming/spvp with energy sigil / adventurer runes.

 

Played it in beta 4 and it hast crazy burst with 80% alac uptime on a full power build. Kinda busted if you ask me. There is a reason why core necro has nearly no mobility and specter shows why.

 

Its super nasty in spvp if played for bunker with perma alac but scrapper still beats it. Dunno why i expected more of anet for this especc....

 About harbinger, trust me they will find a way for pvp. Paired with a support will become worse of the pof scourge day release.

Maybe not immediately after launch, but they gotta push the new specs, and my guts are telling me is necro.

In wvw i already see it running in zerg with crazy burst.

 

I won't mind vindi being super strong option in wvw roaming, to be on par of nade scrapper sic'em soulbeast bursts. But I don't know if you will have enough sustain if you run gs sw/sw, or if running gs staff if you have enough damage. Yeah gs5 hits like a truck, but i guess they already prenerfed it? And also is not a super easy landing skill, but we will see.

 

Specter right now seems the one who will make through.

[Bale.3851]

6 minutes ago, grx.8714 said:

 About harbinger, trust me they will find a way for pvp. Paired with a support will become worse of the pof scourge day release.

Maybe not immediately after launch, but they gotta push the new specs, and my guts are telling me is necro.

In wvw i already see it running in zerg with crazy burst.

 

Hmm i hope they will push it and nerf core/reaper. But as it is scourge is simply too good in wvw zergs and reaper is straight up outclassing harbinger in every way. Deflect kills your dmg in zergs btw. Even tho i like the new ult anet has to nerf lich (AA mainly) or its dead on arival. Even in spvp core and reaper are simply better picks cause of sustain and more core interactions with traits (more fear etc.). So hey harbinger can be played in OW content and PVE or WVW roaming.

 

12 minutes ago, grx.8714 said:

I won't mind vindi being super strong option in wvw roaming, to be on par of nade scrapper sic'em soulbeast bursts. But I don't know if you will have enough sustain if you run gs sw/sw, or if running gs staff if you have enough damage. Yeah gs5 hits like a truck, but i guess they already prenerfed it? And also is not a super easy landing skill, but we will see.

 

There are some videos out there proofing it in beta 4. 7k Aoe Heal is super nice in zergs (on mara gear). But dunno if they will nerf it on arrival. Seems kinda broken if you stack it.

 

But yeah i guess specter is the only new espec who has a chance against acutal meta speccs right now.

[Puck.3697]

Eeeeeeh. It's complicated. But actually on EoD launch, I don't think any of them will. Your gonna wait til the summer mechanic and balance significant changes due in summer 2022

Some things show some promise to a extent, but EoDs elites are just gonna be too weak to compare to current options until they properly balance everything. 

That's been delayed til summer 2022 and at that moment anything could win depending on the changes made, as alot of EoD speccs like willbender, their core issue is they conflict with their proffessions core design. Fix that and it has alot of potiental. 

Spectre, I ironically am the most worried for, Anet balancing very unique niche design like that has never worked out before. 

Look at chronomancer for example it was extremely unique... But it got launched in such as a broken state they had to outright gut it. 

I don't think spectres as much as a garuntee as people think. 

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Daddy.8125

[Mik.3401]

10 hours ago, Daddy.8125 said:

Eeeeeeh. It's complicated. But actually on EoD launch, I don't think any of them will. Your gonna wait til the summer mechanic and balance significant changes due in summer 2022

Some things show some promise to a extent, but EoDs elites are just gonna be too weak to compare to current options until they properly balance everything. 

That's been delayed til summer 2022 and at that moment anything could win depending on the changes made, as alot of EoD speccs like willbender, their core issue is they conflict with their proffessions core design. Fix that and it has alot of potiental. 

Spectre, I ironically am the most worried for, Anet balancing very unique niche design like that has never worked out before. 

Look at chronomancer for example it was extremely unique... But it got launched in such as a broken state they had to outright gut it. 

I don't think spectres as much as a garuntee as people think. 

 

I think the summer patch will nuke most of the previous specs to make the new ones shine indeed. 
Most surely willbender and harbinger will be powerful eventually - these are just the classes the devs seem to care about the most + their core traits are just strong.

Beyond that we never know but we will find out in summer. Something tells me the chrono damage will be chopped down significantly so that it does not exceed the virtuoso’s single target burst.

[LucianDK.8615]

Well the meta is poised to be shaken up with the announcement of 'tweaks' comming to the big 3 at EoD release. If all 3 gets properly downsized as they should, then things will get interesting.

[Mesket.5728]

On 2/15/2022 at 7:53 PM, Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

Bladesworn: nowhere.

Don't be so mean,... Bladesworn might find a meta spot on some niche content such as anime conventions

[Mini Crinny.6190]

1 hour ago, Mesket.5728 said:

Don't be so mean,... Bladesworn might find a meta spot on some niche content such as anime conventions

Bannersworn

[draxynnic.3719]

On 2/18/2022 at 12:15 AM, Mesket.5728 said:

Don't be so mean,... Bladesworn might find a meta spot on some niche content such as anime conventions

If Dragon Trigger still triggers the Superior Sigil of Vision, it might also be meta for soloing bosses in open world using Cavalier's.

[Arheundel.6451]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:22 AM, The Boz.2038 said:

* lauging emoji *

Still with the same lies?

 Necro has been meta since launch in all game modes...but yeah we can all agree it wasn't as easy as now..but necro has always been meta everywhere so don't know why we keep spreading the same lies....

[The Boz.2038]

"everywhere"
PvP from nine years ago. OK.

 

[Jijimuge.4675]

51 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

If Dragon Trigger still triggers the Superior Sigil of Vision, it might also be meta for soloing bosses in open world using Cavalier's.

IIRC I tried this out in the most recent 9-class beta and that effect had been removed when I tried it.  I'm assuming that was a deliberate choice by Anet.

Of course, one can still use "Burst Precision" from Arms, but one may not want to use that specialisation...

[draxynnic.3719]

Necro has been pretty much always at least decent (if somewhat susceptible to being ping-ponged by CCs) in competitive, but there absolutely have been long periods where they were regarded as just plain bad for PvE instances. Mostly pre-HoT, but reaper also became a bit of a meme for group content after nerfs to condi reaper between HoT and PoF. Even scourge was regarded as a bit of a meme in instanced group PvE for a while.

It's easy to look at the current situation and imagine that's always been the case, but I don't think there's any profession that has been meta in every game mode for the entire lifetime of the game.

[Downstate.4697]

For pvp unless something drastic changes

Meta:

Spectre

Vindicator

Viable:

Catalyst

Harbinger 

Untamed

Mechanist

Unranked playable:

Virtuoso

Bladesworn

Willbender

 

If dragon stat becomes available then that opens up more options for guardian, thief, ele and even reaper.

 

 

[grx.8714]

2 hours ago, FrownyClown.8402 said:

For pvp unless something drastic changes

Meta:

Spectre

Vindicator

Viable:

Catalyst

Harbinger 

Untamed

Mechanist

Unranked playable:

Virtuoso

Bladesworn

Willbender

 

If dragon stat becomes available then that opens up more options for guardian, thief, ele and even reaper.

 

 

I agree, but sidenoder mechanist is very likely to be meta. 

Then they will will nerf the mech of course and will vanish, but i feel as release will one of the most broken annoying things to fight.

[Bakeneko.5826]

14 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said:

Necro has been meta since launch in all game modes

Is PvE new to you?

[Grand Marshal.4098]

From a WvW perspective:

1. Bladesworn: This spec could have been so much more. An offensive support with possible added stab share and proper reflect utilites...But none of that exists and rooting in the superspeed meta for zergs means death. In roaming you sure zoom around a lot, but you don't do much unless vs Bots. Meta? Nike build running around SM improved!!!!!!!!
2. Vindicator: Hammer/Staff might be seen as a replacement to those super rare Ventari Heralds, with good barrier and healingwhile also doing some dmg. Rly, less play than Alacrigade I'd think, but Mallyx is also there with the boons trip. Tough to see a Vindi dropping Jalis tho and seeing the new Legends, it might simply end up as a Jalis/Mallyx Harrier combo or something. For roaming, classic Shiro stuff. 
3. Willbender: Only roaming. I remember some interaction existed with Shattered Aegis and that Spinny kick and Virtue 3, but it died right? So only roaming some GS/Hammer stuff I also tried or classic sword focus builds etc. 
4. Untamed: With the possible inc Spirit changes and espec changes, I wouldn't mind seeing Untamed in squads fullfilling a role of dps, stripping and rezzing (if spirit elite becomes more similar to Battle Standard). Just cause of the spirit they can have a role in zergs. For now tough to say. Rangers in roaming always find a way to roam. 
5. Mechanist: Annoying Camp and Sentry camper probably in smallscale. Mech did too much dmg. But overall not impactful. Might be ok for tagging keeps, but Druids and Thieves are better at escaping, tho the port on engi can work ig. Will probably see them around SM lol.
6. Specter: For all the clowning people do, I genuinely believe comms will try a pocket healer. Sure comms die last, but why not have a boon pump on you when a tome is on CD? 1 per squad obviously, sounds like a fnny role. In roaming hybrid condi/heal specter will be very strong with more condi buddies and probably the best pair for a condi/corrupt harbinger. Will see if this is gonna be the new FB/Condi Herald duo...
7. Virtuoso: Just for a change Mesmers may use Virtuoso as an offensie Boonstripper, given how Mirage only has some value with staff, core is usually built as support and Chrono is the most tank, so they may feel refreshed with a non-minstrel option. Might see as many of these as Reapers (tbh they are quite rare due to playstyle not suitable for pirate ship). In roaming some cheese builds. Mirage supreme.
8. Harbinger: Super rare in zergs, the other specs are better, despite the boon support. In roaming with organized groups I am afraid it will be a beast of condi dmg... With a well-placed worm or spectal walk, on top of the shroud mobility, it will give necro the chance to recover in smallscale teamfights, despite the health reduction. Again, all you need is a FB, a Tempest and why not throw a Cele Scrapper.
9. Catalyst: Maybe in roaming. Tempest does better support and Weaver better dmg. That's about it that I know off.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Grand Marshal.4098
Classes in order and armor weight, added fonts.