Dragon's End Meta = I'm Done

[Doctor Hide.6345]

2 minutes ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said:

Could be the DE map currency that they just re-named it or may be a mixture of all 4 map currency you would need to combine to get a new one.

Will just have to wait and see.

 

Yeah. Then I am not sure. /shrug Oh well, I don't mind waiting then.

[Izzy.2951]

They are not gonna make a new currency, so its going to be Dragons End currency. Or a combination of the 4th maps idk

[Infernal Dancer.8560]

The first couple of tries I really loved the meta event. I love the storymodes and I think it is amazing that this meta-event is tied to the main story.

I also love that it is challenging, but..

Every time I fail this meta is a reason for me to, when I finally will succeed, to never ever get back to this again..

I love meta events, and its ok to sometimes fail it and see how you can improve as a player or as a communicator.. but when a meta event is very likely to fail. Why would I even participate after I got my win. This meta-event will die out when more and more people get their turtle unlock or when people will just give up. And so for newer players to be able to complete this event will get harder and harder if A-net wont do something about the rate of fails (and fun in replay ability).

 

its been 11 days since release and a lot of people are already burned out by this event…

[Einsof.1457]

This topic's vitriol is correctly placed at arenanet, but for the wrong reason. You should be mad at arenanet for not teaching the basics of the game, which is needed for successful completion of dragon's end. DE is an incredibly easy encounter. The issues is players haven't been taught the basics up until that point because there is no semi-challening open world content at all up to that point. This is on anet. Bosses like shadow behemoth, and claw of jormag, etc. should be teaching the skills necessary so when you get to dragons end, you know whats going on intuitively.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Einsof.1457

[Tehnerdynerdlo.5846]

So, any word yet on if the difficulty will be decreased/timer increased? I get the whole 'Git Gud' argument but one thing I haven't seen anyone mention yet. Think about how bad the average player is, and realize that half of them are worse than that. No offence to 'bad' players I'm not great at the game either

 

[SLOTH.5231]

I dunno but when gaming starts becoming a chore it’s no longer considered fun anymore. Take it for what it’s worth. 

[Michaelsnakefang.9642]

9 hours ago, Izzy.2951 said:

It is by far the open world event that i most enjoyed, so it is working. Arenanet has said that the numbers in people getting Siege Turtle is going up, and they made more changes for it to be more accesible while still challenging. Also theres gonna be other way to adquire the egg and they are also looking at more rewards for the event.

Your feedback is the same feedback that has made gw2 look like a complete casual autistic game.

Dang, from 30 / 500,000 wins to 32 / 500,000 wins! An insane spike.

surely this means the boss must be buffed. Too many people are beating this easily.

[Hotride.2187]

10 hours ago, Cameryn.5310 said:

ArenaNet, the Dragon's End meta is not working.  All you have to do is play the game in that zone to find out why.

So much this.

You literally only have to play the event a few times since the expansion dropped, and you will see it cannot work in open world. And to anyone telling me to join an organized squad with boon stacking groups:

1. I have. Several times. Still only 1 success and the group was really good.
2. Woah this is very open world and happens totally all the time right? Not what instanced content is known for at all.

10 hours ago, Cameryn.5310 said:

There's always toxicity in games, but I've never seen it this bad in GW2.

Conquest map chat toxicity -> once in like 20 games I play. Toxicity in map chat for a failed DE meta -> 7 out of 10 maps that I've done.

[Witch of Doom.5739]

1 hour ago, SLOTH.5231 said:

I dunno but when gaming starts becoming a chore it’s no longer considered fun anymore. Take it for what it’s worth. 

^^^ This.  I have not even tried this meta yet, but from everything I've read about it -- both from players who love it and those who hate it -- I have ZERO DESIRE to even try it.  It sounds like all my most hated events in GW2 rolled into one.  ANet, this longtime GW and GW2 player is discouraged from even trying.  Congrats if that was the mood you were going for.

[Strawberrytail.5106]

What's breaking me about this whole thing is that the last, the very last POI I need in EoD is stuck behind this meta. And every single time I try to go for it, full map, several comms doing a decent job, we fail before we even get the to darn platform. Sure I want the turtle, sure I want to beat the dragon, save the day and just feel good about doing it, regardless of crappy loot, but what I really really want is that stupid POI sitting in the middle of my map like a dead fish eye staring into the void. . .
This event has been such a major waste of time and energy. I have half a mind to just leave the map alone, throw the prep for the legendaries down the toilet and go sit in a quiet corner in Tyria catching basic rarity fish instead.

[SexyMofo.8923]

This meta was so easy. I beat it my first time and will never need to return here. 

[Peterson.5172]

30 minutes ago, Strawberrytail.5106 said:

What's breaking me about this whole thing is that the last, the very last POI I need in EoD is stuck behind this meta. And every single time I try to go for it, full map, several comms doing a decent job, we fail before we even get the to darn platform. Sure I want the turtle, sure I want to beat the dragon, save the day and just feel good about doing it, regardless of crappy loot, but what I really really want is that stupid POI sitting in the middle of my map like a dead fish eye staring into the void. . .
This event has been such a major waste of time and energy. I have half a mind to just leave the map alone, throw the prep for the legendaries down the toilet and go sit in a quiet corner in Tyria catching basic rarity fish instead.

you can fly up on skyscale and get the poi

Edited March 10, 2022 by Peterson.5172
misunderstood which poi

[Mia.6105]

9 hours ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said:

I think you both have not read this. There is nothing in that comment saying you have to throw more money at it.

I was not yet aware of the upcoming changes... thats great! Thank You.

[Gregg.3970]

13 hours ago, Izzy.2951 said:

Well i dont see a reason for making all content zero challenging and easy, first your gonna get things fast and stop playing and second is boring. Thats maybe why gw2 has not been at any time a leader in the MMO scene.

@Izzy.2951your comments I find thoughtless to who and what represents the casual gw2 playerbase.

... and since when has all content been zero challenging and easy??? That's what Raids, CM fractals, sPvp are for kitten. 

Personally I couldn't care less about DE Meta or the Siege Turtle as I'm not a fan of casual PvE, but that's because I'm a vet player that enjoys challenging, competitive game modes with other like minded players in the rightful places:  CM Strikes, CM Fractal speed runs/group build optimisation, Raids, sPvP, WvW. 

On the other hand: My niece is 11 years old, she only plays/enjoys Open World PvE, she is definitely not a Raider or experienced enough to know or understand the technicalities of CMs and that completely does not appeal to her - She plays for fun:

I'll say again she's an 11 year old casual player, whom I'll add has managed to attain all other mounts in the game. I see the Turtle as a novelty fun mount which she desperately wants, and not for want of her trying sees herself constantly kicked from DE squads because her DPS is not good enough or she's not playing the profession the Com wants:

How do you think this makes an 11 year old feel? 

TLDR: Think about the demographics of the wider casual PvE playerbase and not just your own self 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Gregg.3970

[Cameryn.5310]

31 minutes ago, Gregg.3970 said:

How do you think this makes an 11 year old feel? 

 

That's the thing with the elitist snob players here who have done the DE meta 14,392 times and beaten it every time with 876 minutes to spare and counting... they don't care.  And they don't recognize themselves as being in the minority, even though they are.

Still nothing from ArenaNet today about this stuff.  Sigh.

[Peterson.5172]

24 minutes ago, Cameryn.5310 said:

That's the thing with the elitist snob players here who have done the DE meta 14,392 times and beaten it every time with 876 minutes to spare and counting... they don't care.  And they don't recognize themselves as being in the minority, even though they are.

Still nothing from ArenaNet today about this stuff.  Sigh.

there were updates last night on the server side, supposed to have reduced tails by 50%

they are nerfing it slowly, bit by bit because they don't want to over nerf in one go, and diminish their 10 year epic saga conclusion

[yoguil.7320]

5 hours ago, Einsof.1457 said:

This topic's vitriol is correctly placed at arenanet, but for the wrong reason. You should be mad at arenanet for not teaching the basics of the game, which is needed for successful completion of dragon's end.

I'm with you that GW2 core game doesn't teach you the necessary stuff to go raiding. It would be a very valid point if GW2 was all about hardcore content. Instead - at least from my point of view - GW2 attracts a lot of people who just don't want to do raids, don't like min-maxing builds and rotations, don't care about dps. Those people play for fun, relaxation, to escape all the min-maxing efficency-driven real world for a short time. GW2 has a reputation of being the most casual friendly game in mmo genre. Or at least it had up until now... Forcing those people to play the game in a way they explicitely dislike might harm GW2 mid to long term.

[Cameryn.5310]

1 hour ago, Peterson.5172 said:

there were updates last night on the server side, supposed to have reduced tails by 50%

 

That is absolutely NOT what we experienced when I wrote what I wrote yesterday, though, several hours after the so-called nerf.  The leaders of the squads I was with all said that it was exactly like it had been on the weekend.  We had a lot of tail time and a LOT of RNG-based swapping.

[Rumpus.1234]

4 hours ago, Peterson.5172 said:

you can fly up on skyscale and get the poi

Don't even need it, you can zipline up and get the poi!

[Peterson.5172]

4 minutes ago, Rumpus.1234 said:

Don't even need it, you can zipline up and get the poi!

from what i can tell, his groups fail the pre events (collect shards for crystal), so i dont think the zipline spawns, and i suspect he might not have skyscale tbh...

[AoAkinari.9248]

1 hour ago, yoguil.7320 said:

game doesn't teach you the necessary stuff to go raiding. It would be a very valid point if GW2 was all about hardcore content.

i always laugh at such statemets, as if moving outside of danger (or dodging) or CC or dealing more damage by pressing more than one button is considered as hardcore, raiding level complexity. What were you doing up to this point in game? because all of those you encounter from the start.

 

No one is telling you that you have to do 100% of benchmark, give all boons and do everything perfectly with rotation. Far from that. Most people "considered" hardcore, know that you can do 50% or even more dps by simply smashing all your buttons in whatever rotation (even teapot did video, he just pressed randoms skills and perfomed pretty much the same 🙂 as with "proper" rotation, you know 20k comparing to 24k for example means absolutely nothing, its really good, it just showed that is IMPOSSIBLE to deal 2k dps if you have tree,gear as intented.

 

Also, most people "considered" hardcore, know that you can easly avoid "most" danger stuff by simply moving, you know, WSAD and you have time for that action, im not telling about mechanics that you simply have to know to get good grasp on timing.

 

Those 2 things are the only reason people are still failing DE meta. Everyday you do 2k dps by just autoattacking? no problem! at meta event smash all skills and do 8k dps! its all good. But THAT requires your effort, to actually press those buttons and move away from danger. Look how i didn't even told that you have to change your playstyle or something, just press all buttons.

 

FUN FACT

im using power thief build (staff) as my main to roam and do story, you know why? Cuz i can deal 20k+ dps with just autoattacking. Yea, only autoattack, all other skill are signets. You dont press anything, let auto attack roll and be top5 dps everytime on meta events. Its very easy when high dmg is coming literally automatically without my input and i can "focus" on different things or just chill and play by one hand with mouse. Its really more than enough that i have to contribute.

[Imba.9451]

16 minutes ago, AoAkinari.9248 said:

i always laugh at such statemets, as if moving outside of danger (or dodging) or CC or dealing more damage by pressing more than one button is considered as hardcore, raiding level complexity. What were you doing up to this point in game? because all of those you encounter from the start.

 

No one is telling you that you have to do 100% of benchmark, give all boons and do everything perfectly with rotation. Far from that. Most people "considered" hardcore, know that you can do 50% or even more dps by simply smashing all your buttons in whatever rotation (even teapot did video, he just pressed randoms skills and perfomed pretty much the same 🙂 as with "proper" rotation, you know 20k comparing to 24k for example means absolutely nothing, its really good, it just showed that is IMPOSSIBLE to deal 2k dps if you have tree,gear as intented.

 

Also, most people "considered" hardcore, know that you can easly avoid "most" danger stuff by simply moving, you know, WSAD and you have time for that action, im not telling about mechanics that you simply have to know to get good grasp on timing.

 

Those 2 things are the only reason people are still failing DE meta. Everyday you do 2k dps by just autoattacking? no problem! at meta event smash all skills and do 8k dps! its all good. But THAT requires your effort, to actually press those buttons and move away from danger. Look how i didn't even told that you have to change your playstyle or something, just press all buttons.

 

FUN FACT

im using power thief build (staff) as my main to roam and do story, you know why? Cuz i can deal 20k+ dps with just autoattacking. Yea, only autoattack, all other skill are signets. You dont press anything, let auto attack roll and be top5 dps everytime on meta events. Its very easy when high dmg is coming literally automatically without my input and i can "focus" on different things or just chill and play by one hand with mouse. Its really more than enough that i have to contribute.

And now explain all that to 49 people in a non-consensual raid.

 

[Xerxez.7361]

33 minutes ago, Imba.9451 said:

And now explain all that to 49 people in a non-consensual raid.

 

 

Do you know how to move out of Red AoE, use CC skills, and use a Waypoint? No? Good enough let's go! Good, try we'll get this next time!

 

Just rinse and repeat and eventually 60% of the players will get there. When it's open world you have a high chance that players are playing on 800+ ping and will never be able to see or dodge the mechanics.

[yoguil.7320]

1 hour ago, AoAkinari.9248 said:

i always laugh at such statemets, as if moving outside of danger (or dodging) or CC or dealing more damage by pressing more than one button is considered as hardcore, raiding level complexity. What were you doing up to this point in game? because all of those you encounter from the start.

What about all the people in the middle ground? Only a minority of players is in one of the extreme spots - either experienced raider with best-in-slot gear, meta build and well-trained rotation, or total noob with a wild combination of gear, some weird build and a "rotation" almost exclusively consisting of autoattacks. Most people are somewhere in between those extreme positions.

Take me as an example: I'm playing GW2 for almost 10 years now, but with very limited time per day. I don't have that thing people call a "main", I play every class, every race, every gender with mostly aesthetics and roleplay in mind, not efficency. I choose a weapon because it fits the character I'm trying to play, not because of max dps. I have 40+ characters on my account, half of them full ascended/legendary. My rotation might not be the best- since I switch characters and classes a lot there's very little muscle memory, I often miss a skill off cooldown and so on. My builds are even worse, I guess - usually focused on sustainability first, damage second. I'm not interested in raids or raid-like content and all things involved, especially the toxic environment. I'm playing open world exclusively, socialising with people I meet there, often real noobs in starter zones who ask for help, and I enjoy lending a hand. I don't want anybody to tell me how I should play my character/class. I don't want anybody to mock me and my style of gameplay, thank you.

It was fine for almost 10 years, now the studio shows tendencies of changing the whole concept I enjoyed so far. Well, if that's the way they want their game to be, I'm probably out in the not so distant future.

Edit: I'm almost 60 years old, little one. Some decades ago I would have been in your camp, I guess. But now I simply want to relax and forget the ugliness of our real world, the stressful job and so on. And, as people say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks...

Edited March 10, 2022 by yoguil.7320

[ChronoPinoyX.7923]

As always, there are elitist clowns who think the average player only does 1111 and nothing else just to excuse a badly designed piece of content and gatekeep everyone else. 

The fact that many genuine Raiders, Strikers and Fractal runners like myself have voiced our opinion on how badly designed this is compared to the genuine hardcore content we do shows that elitism isn't about the hardcore players, it's always those individual clowns who think they are high and mighty and above everyone else.

In any case, Dragon's End is definitely a piece of content I would consider ANet do a proper run with the community in multiple occasions so they can actually see the problem. I ran the prep phase with GM Sintor (whilst DX11 decided to bug out) and they disappeared from the map the moment we actually started the meta. Made me question why they suddenly disappeared the instant the Prep Timer ran out lel