Popular Post Loke.1429 Posted July 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) I mean they may have had some nerfs in the past but all i see is zoom zoom zoom invuln invuln block with high damage. its far more busted than harbinger or any other spec tbh. Edited July 24, 2023 by Loke.1429 48 13 3 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sereath.1428 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 They are probably worried about losing players, as it is a very low effort / low risk + high reward spec, which makes it very popular with the average player. Maybe not exactly worried about losing players, but worried about removing an option for beginners. But yeah, its risk/reward ratio is completely kittened, nerfs are overdue. 5 24 2 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnfall.9573 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, XxsdgxX.8109 said: They are probably worried about losing players, as it is a very low effort / low risk + high reward spec, which makes it very popular with the average player. Maybe not exactly worried about losing players, but worried about removing an option for beginners. But yeah, its risk/reward ratio is completely kittened, nerfs are overdue. exactly this too We've known this day would happen when Toxic design would be the last thing standing............than those who cared enough for the game suddenly leaves 10 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix.9614 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Something for the new players to use as they get the hang of wvw. Probably the easiest elite spec to roam with in wvw 🙂 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I thought mechanist was for the new players? 😏 4 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Probably because it's not as good as you think it is. 9 4 3 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekent.3652 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, XxsdgxX.8109 said: They are probably worried about losing players, as it is a very low effort / low risk + high reward spec, which makes it very popular with the average player. Maybe not exactly worried about losing players, but worried about removing an option for beginners. But yeah, its risk/reward ratio is completely kittened, nerfs are overdue. I'll always pick a willbender as my enemy instead of a pew pew ranger spam and a salty thief. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Loke.1429 said: I mean they may have had some nerfs in the past but all i see is zoom zoom zoom invuln invuln block with high damage. its far more busted than harbinger or any other spec tbh. Well that's the problem. It didn't get nerfed. It got nerfed in pvp but it wasn't sent over here. It also sucked in pve, so it got buffed. In fact it got buffed in the last patch though not relevant to roaming and roaming isn't on the balance radar at all. Well ok it did get nerfed once . They destroyed its ability to bust zergs in beta which is kinda sad since that may have been more interesting if more balanced but we can't have that either. 🤣 In general, the rule is simply because they don't usually care about WvW, and when they do, it's balanced around zergs and WB is vaguely defined in the meta and thus not worthy of a nerf. At the end of the day WB suffered from "How do we make this more busted than Firebrand?" Edited July 22, 2023 by ArchonWing.9480 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babana.7521 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 WvW forum has become the Nerf everything forum. 11 7 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, babana.7521 said: WvW forum has become the Nerf everything forum. That's what forums in general are for.... 2 4 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 the only class that travels faster across the map on foot than on warclaw the only class that doesnt use WASD in a fight and the only class that needs less brain cell investment than a WvW balance patch by Anet how could that not be balanced 🫠 11 4 4 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random dude.5089 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 14 hours ago, babana.7521 said: WvW forum has become the Nerf everything forum. and what do you think wvw forum is for ? posts like the guy who said lets give wvw npcs waifu skins ? wvw have a major balance issue and we need to adress that so encounters can be more enjoyable , since the bread and butter of wvw is , zergs and roaming and those are getting constantly balanced with wvw updates , but some things get left out for unknown reasons , and thats whats this forum i made for. 4 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enkidu.5937 Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 15 hours ago, babana.7521 said: WvW forum has become the Nerf everything forum. ya give everybody else unlimited ports as well 😚🎉 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loke.1429 Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) @Cal Cohen.2358 you had one job. met a willbender today, unkillable, high damage. Alt+f4 after 5minutes gameplay. What games do you play? Got some recommendations? Edited July 23, 2023 by Loke.1429 9 1 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 No idea why anet let players use elite specs in WvW when it's clear that elite specs are made for bad PvE player who can't do new PvE content without newest elite spec. 🤦♂️ 1 2 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khenzy.9348 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) On 7/22/2023 at 12:29 AM, Loke.1429 said: I mean they may have had some nerfs in the past but all i see is zoom zoom zoom invuln invuln block with high damage. its far more busted than harbinger or any other spec tbh. Interesting, if you're talking about roaming, I find Harbinger the stronger of the two, but both are very overtuned in WvW right now. There are several outliers or painpoints that should be adressed though. I may make a thread pointing them out later this week. Edited July 24, 2023 by Khenzy.9348 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeere.3417 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 NERF ELE is ANET answer to ALL problems each time 2 3 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 8 hours ago, Khenzy.9348 said: Interesting, if you're talking about roaming, I find Harbinger the stronger of the two, but both are very overtuned in WvW right now. There are several outliers or painpoints that should be adressed though. I may make a thread pointing them out later this week. idk who wins between the two but on my ele i much rather fight a harbinger than a willbender idk how other classes feel about this but for harbinger at least i have a couple of reflects and a projectile hate zone for a few seconds of breathing room while willbender just ports on me and i already lost more than 50% of my health... (8k F1 crits, whoever though of that needs to be fired...) 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, RazieL.5684 said: idk who wins between the two but on my ele i much rather fight a harbinger than a willbender idk how other classes feel about this but for harbinger at least i have a couple of reflects and a projectile hate zone for a few seconds of breathing room while willbender just ports on me and i already lost more than 50% of my health... (8k F1 crits, whoever though of that needs to be fired...) On my reaper I rather fight a willbender than a deadeye. Harbinger is placed somewhere in between. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semak.7481 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 1:29 AM, Loke.1429 said: I mean they may have had some nerfs in the past but all i see is zoom zoom zoom invuln invuln block with high damage. its far more busted than harbinger or any other spec tbh. Ngl, usually I dont believe such posts until you fight one. Damage/sustain and mobility are bonkers, all at once 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazieL.5684 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 57 minutes ago, KrHome.1920 said: On my reaper I rather fight a willbender than a deadeye. Harbinger is placed somewhere in between. true... i don't even know what words to use to describe my shock, disgust and amazement that something like deadeye exists in the game at all... 12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 9 hours ago, KrHome.1920 said: On my reaper I rather fight a willbender than a deadeye. You get to actually fight them? I thought they just OOC after 3s of failing to kill you. 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, ArchonWing.9480 said: You get to actually fight them? I thought they just OOC after 3s of failing to kill you. I mean I usually go for the immob spam when im on my DE fighting necros and I stay til necro is dead xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedievalThings.5417 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Junkpile.7439 said: No idea why anet let players use elite specs in WvW when it's clear that elite specs are made for bad PvE player who can't do new PvE content without newest elite spec. 🤦♂️ That's how they sell expacs. New elite, broken OP. In order to compete, you need to play one. So, right before every expansion they nerf everything, introduce new, overpowered elites, sell expacs to everyone. Rinse and repeat. This expac it isn't locked behind a new elite though, but behind a SOTO relic, which will all be clearly better than the core ones. Want to compete, cough up the dough. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, ArchonWing.9480 said: You get to actually fight them? I thought they just OOC after 3s of failing to kill you. And for you that's an acceptable result or what? Endless resets, staying at 1500 range like some annonying toilet fly, waiting for you to play the game and gank you unless you port back to spawn or keep. I bet ANet lost thousands of players in the last 10 years just because thief exists. And thief's current most degenerated form is deadeye. Edited July 25, 2023 by KrHome.1920 15 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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