Eugchriss.2046 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Can some one explain me why the fuck ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Other than reduction in ai pet damage ranger and its weapons are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It used to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 ranger is under powered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krispera.5087 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.You're doing bad and dishonest comparisons. Crystal Hibernation heal yourself.Guard has plenty of other kind blocks and aegis spam. Focus and Shield of Courage are exemples.Chrono and Mesmer has plenty of other dazes. Chrono shield has 2 x blocks, can be used with Continuum Split and Tides of Time is a mega hard CC.War has plenty of blocks and evades as well.So if you want to do other comparisons, since you seem to be a Revenant player, lets look something more close to it: Warding Rift : 20 secs 2secs Block and Blind. vs Counterattack 25 secs cooldown 3 secs Block.Surge of the Mists : 20 secs Knockback and 1 sec Evade. vs Counterattack Kick stationary 3/4 secs evade.Chaotic Release : 20 secs Launch. vs ??? Nothing equivalent on Ranger, maybe Wing Buffet on Beastmode EWyvern that no Rangers use. Shorter Launch, shorter range 25 secs cooldown.Temporal Rift : 15 secs Pull vs Path of Scars skill shot Pull. Shall we nerf Staff Revenant instead ?Looks fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 You're doing bad and dishonest comparisons.brings up utilities and other weaponsyep this is the forums alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krispera.5087 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Grimjack.8130 said:You're doing bad and dishonest comparisons.brings up utilities and other weaponsyep this is the forums alrightJust doing the same thing. Staff Revenant is the closest comparison to it and the Ranger doesn't have a shield. So who started the thread on the bad angle here ?I was just showing that you can find things done differently in other professions when I brought up Chaotic Release and Temporal Rift. You don't see Ranger players crying about that. Ele has Invulnerabilities, Blocks, Evades, Barriers and will I try to compare Ranger to it ? No, I will not. It's just different. After GS block, the Ranger has no weapon to actually work with. Evade on demand from Sword has been removed and the 2 others evades are on non meta weapons such as Shortbow and OH Dagger. So, like, can Ranger has actually something !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.Lol...compared to what? rev staff ?You're comparing a 2 handed weapon to an off hand where warrior can slot : mobility or other block or more daze or pure dmg in the main hand..on top of that warrior has 3x more CC than a ranger so don't even try..You mention mesmer...distortion- blur -evasive reflection and others....You mention guard...shield only, focus- mace - shelter as base, then there is shield of courage if going dragon hunter and anyway, I can play guardian everywhere and with every spec..compared to ranger and guard block all inc attacks and you only mention shield for projectile blocks lolThe ranger hate is real, but it mostly comes from people playing classes with more roles/builds to play compared to ranger relegated to 1v1 some try hard in pvp or wvw and nothing else, when both its elite are hot garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Krispera.5087 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.Crystal Hibernation heal yourself.Yes but it's a shield, it's supposed to have defensive/support utilities. Nothing strange here. The other is not a shield but still behave like one.@Krispera.5087 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.Guard has plenty of other kind blocks and aegis spam. Focus and Shield of Courage are exemples.Not the point. I'm talking about shields and GS, not the whole class capabilities.@Krispera.5087 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.Chrono and Mesmer has plenty of other dazes. Chrono shield has 2 x blocks, can be used with Continuum Split and Tides of Time is a mega hard CC.Not the point. I'm talking about shields and GS, not how many dazes each classes have. (+ the last time I played/saw a chrono, I/he never wasted "free" 6secs(or less) for 3secs of a block. Like really never ever)if Tides of Time is a mega hard CC with 2secs stun, I guess Hilt Bash is just a super hard CC with 1.5sec stun?> @Krispera.5087 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.if you want to do other comparisons, since you seem to be a Revenant player, lets look something more close to it: > Warding Rift : 20 secs 2secs Block and Blind. vs Counterattack 25 secs cooldown 3 secs Block.Surge of the Mists : 20 secs Knockback and 1 sec Evade. vs Counterattack Kick stationary 3/4 secs evade.Chaotic Release : 20 secs Launch. vs ??? Nothing equivalent on Ranger, maybe Wing Buffet on Beastmode EWyvern that no Rangers use. Shorter Launch, shorter range 25 secs cooldown.Temporal Rift : 15 secs Pull vs Path of Scars skill shot Pull. This is where shit got real pal.I am talking about a single weapon, you re talking about 2I am talking about weapons, you include utilities(you forgot to mention that surge of the mist is rooted when counterattack kick is instant. Was it on purpose pal?)How dishonest can someone be just to prove someone else is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Krispera.5087 and @Arheundel.6451You guys ~~willingly ~~missed my point.I m not comparing whole classes, I just find it weird that shield, which is supposed to be the most defensive weapon is somehow less defensive than ranger GS. Only engi shield is actually better than the built-in GS shield.If you want to do a comparison, compare ranger GS with other classes GS. ! NONE OF THEM HAS ANY KIND OF BLOCK.The only CC they have fits the theme. Either pull for reaper/guard because it s a melee weapon either knockback for mes because it a ranged weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Comparing things in a vacuum in a game where class abilities and weapon kits are meant to be significantly different is silly.GS might need another nerf for Ranger, but this isn't very solid reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 at least it no longer is 3x better then all other defensive skills :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crozame.4098 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 No matter ranger lovers say and their super biased opinions, GS is on elf the very best weapons in the game. And its true, it dmg, stun, evade, leap, and block. Arheundel.6451 and this guy, lmao. A ranger has LB4, GS5, GS4, random pet CC as stuns. An by the way, GS5 also refreshes GS2.War has shield 4 and bulls charge. also for soulbeast, its merge skills have 1-2 stuns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachenfalke.7605 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Wow... next call for ranger nerfs. Ok, let's delete ranger class from gw2, the faster the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rng.1024 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 How exactly is this a problem?It's on a 20 sec cooldownDoesn't require a utility skill slotDoesn't flip if not attackedThen we have Bandit's Defense which nobody complains about:Had 12 sec cooldownRequired utility slotWorked the same except evade on ccMakes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @rng.1024 said:How exactly is this a problem?I think it's because you get it for free, kind of. You take an offensive/utility weapon and get a strong defensive skill.Let's compare defensive capabilities of all GS in the game in no particular order:1) Warrior greatswordEvade+Mobility++2) Ranger greatswordEvade+Mobility+Block+3) Necromancer greatswordAoE blind+4) Guardian greatswordMobility+5) Mesmer greatswordKnockback+Solution: Replace Ranger GS4 with an actual damaging skill similar to maul. Might have a small range or a small leap (backwards or forwards). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@rng.1024 said:How exactly is this a problem?I think it's because you get it for free, kind of. You take an offensive/utility weapon and get a strong defensive skill.Let's compare defensive capabilities of all GS in the game in no particular order:1) Warrior greatswordEvade+Mobility++2) Ranger greatswordEvade+Mobility+Block+3) Necromancer greatswordAoE blind+4) Guardian greatswordMobility+5) Mesmer greatswordKnockback+Solution: Replace Ranger GS4 with an actual damaging skill similar to maul. Might have a small range or a small leap (backwards or forwards).No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @"rng.1024" said:How exactly is this a problem?It's on a 20 sec cooldownDoesn't require a utility skill slotDoesn't flip if not attackedThen we have Bandit's Defense which nobody complains about:Had 12 sec cooldownRequired utility slotWorked the same except evade on ccMakes no sense.Bandit's Defense hasn't had a 12s cooldown since 2017. Comparing values from before and after the Feb patch is risible.Ranger's GS, in terms of purely the weapon skills, is arguably the best weapon in the game (for PvP). CC, Mobility, Evades, Blocks, and decent burst damage. I can't think of another weapon that does all of those things. The closest would be Scrapper Hammer and Rev Staff, but describing the movement skills on those as "mobility" is a bit of a stretch.However, that doesn't necessarily mean it needs nerfs, given that Ranger's other mechanics are kinda meh. You can't compare things 1:1 in a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LughLongArm.5460 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Ranger's GS is probably also the weakest 2h sword in terms of damage potential(both burst and consistent), if you are purely inspecting the weapon while ignoring all other class factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Avatar.3568 said:NoThanks for the constructive comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.5981 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 This skill has already had one review on 25th February 2020 where its competitive use was increased from 15 seconds to 25 seconds. This is its base refresh - 25 seconds. If you want to have a refresh of 20 seconds in competitive mode you must ruin Beastmastery and select Two-handed training to reduce time on all GS skills. Only one of the four Metabattle recommended PVP builds runs this specialization.The fact that Anet Developers chose to change this skill to what it is now and have also reviewed its use again in competitive modes speaks volumes. They clearly are ok with it as it now is. Are you saying they are wrong?Comparing one class skill against any other class skill, even when on the same weapon type, isn't a wise thing to do. The counter argument could be made that if Class X can do skill Y on the Greatsword, why can't Ranger do it?Apples and Oranges, careful what you wish for, boring similar skills on all classes isn't the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.You forgot the endurance regen on 3rd part of the auto and really should have done a comparison of swoop to other evades, but yeah ranger GS has it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @apharma.3741 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.You forgot the endurance regen on 3rd part of the auto and really should have done a comparison of swoop to other evades, but yeah ranger GS has it all.Yeah the 3 attack of the auto attack from gs is pretty never happen, it takes years and does no dmg (on core) with the evade there was a reason to do it, but now you making yourself a big fat target with gs auto attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @Avatar.3568 said:@apharma.3741 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.You forgot the endurance regen on 3rd part of the auto and really should have done a comparison of swoop to other evades, but yeah ranger GS has it all.Yeah the 3 attack of the auto attack from gs is pretty never happen, it takes years and does no dmg (on core) with the evade there was a reason to do it, but now you making yourself a big fat target with gs auto attacksSo....like every other class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 @apharma.3741 said:@Avatar.3568 said:@apharma.3741 said:@Eugchriss.2046 said:Can some one explain me why the kitten ranger's GS has a built-in shield which is even better(low cd, better utilities) than other classes shield? Like really:is not rooted, when herald isblock all incomming attacks, when guard's shield only block projectileshas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when chrono has 40shas a 1.5 sec stun/daze on 20s CD when war has 2sec stun on 20s CD (remember one is using shield the other is not)has a 3sec block on 25sec cd + knockback + a little evade when war has 3secs block on30secsRanger's GS is in my opinion the best 2 handed weapon a class can have. It has gap closer + evade + build-in shied + CC + low cd, high damage skill.Greatsword is not a shield, just saying.You forgot the endurance regen on 3rd part of the auto and really should have done a comparison of swoop to other evades, but yeah ranger GS has it all.Yeah the 3 attack of the auto attack from gs is pretty never happen, it takes years and does no dmg (on core) with the evade there was a reason to do it, but now you making yourself a big fat target with gs auto attacksSo....like every other class.Yeah but you complain about something that is not rly usefull, I just attack with AA on some Downstats that my mate gets the stomp while they rezzing, it does no dmg, when I just jump arroun and let my pet do the shit I getting way better ofRanger gs is a defense weapon with maul. it does only on glass Canon dmg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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