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I've recently returned to GW2 after an almost 2 year hiatus and started on the Season 4 content. I have reached the stage where I am working to get the Beetle mount. I completed the first part of the collection but then I was surprised by a second collection I need to do which takes me out of the zone I am in. I find it disheartening that I am being forced to leave the zone I am in to complete this. It feels akin to the Legendary precursor collection fetch quests which are not particularly engaging, so why apply this sort of content to Living World? Is this a new trend for living world zones going forward? I do not remember being sent on tiresome fetch quests before..

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  • Lini.2698Lini.2698 Member ✭✭

    Unfortunately the beetle saddle will be followed by another collection. And the Skyscale mount requires its own series of collections later in the season, so it is a bit of a trend for the living world mounts, yes.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The Griffon collection required you to go outside Vabbi so I don’t see why the beetle one is an issue.

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 8, 2021

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 8, 2021

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    It is casual and relaxing. The issue is that you're choosing to not make it that way.

    That's your opinion. I don't find it casual and relaxing having to hunt things down outside of the zone I am in, sometimes with vague hints where those items might be. Having to look up where things are on Google takes me out of the game and it is not enjoyable to me.

  • Vilin.8056Vilin.8056 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, since properly RIDING this mount would likely require one or two Youtube tutorials, beetle is probably not your thing, best stick with raptors then.

    You can still rent Beetles in racetracks throughout Tyria.

  • @Vilin.8056 said:
    Well, since properly RIDING this mount would likely require one or two Youtube tutorials, beetle is probably not your thing, best stick with raptors then.

    You can still rent Beetles in racetracks throughout Tyria.

    Thanks. Knowing there's a 3rd collection after the Saddle was already the final nail for me. So I'll now just forget that content and move ahead with the story.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    It is casual and relaxing. The issue is that you're choosing to not make it that way.

    That's your opinion. I don't find it casual and relaxing having to hunt things down outside of the zone I am in, sometimes with vague hints where those items might be. Having to look up where things are on Google takes me out of the game and it is not enjoyable to me.

    So having to go outside of the map that you're on is the opposite of casual and relaxing? Okay. That's a new one.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I was expecting this type of response.

    Of course.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    I had tons of fun doing the "scavenger hunts". Traveling the (virtual) world is the most fun part of adventuring. The only tiresome parts were those that consisted of repeated tasks that are also timegated.

    And in a way, mounts are of "legendary" quality. They should not be given away just like that. It feels much more rewarding when there are collections attached to the task. After all, they make our characters' lives on Tyria so much easier; e.g., world completion has become a piece of cake thanks to mounts, as has exploring HoT. Seriously, you make it sound like mounts were just a small bonus, but they are much more than that.

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Actually there had been a harder living world story content in the chapter prior to the one with the beetle. Remember the back item from the golem in Sandswept Isles? Pretty grindy achievement and even a ton more work than the beetle. ArenaNet seemed to do this to get people to still play older content.

    Accept it or just do not get the beetle. As long as you do not care too much about achievements ... you might be able to do most other stuff without it. (Ask people for help if a wall needs to be broken to access a POI.)

  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    But it is legendary. It is an end of season mount that is tied to the legendary collection vision just like aurora was an end of season reward for season 3.

    I mean, even the beetle mount asked you to step outside Kourna.

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    It is casual and relaxing. The issue is that you're choosing to not make it that way.

    That's your opinion. I don't find it casual and relaxing having to hunt things down outside of the zone I am in, sometimes with vague hints where those items might be. Having to look up where things are on Google takes me out of the game and it is not enjoyable to me.

    if camping 1 map for a quest = casual for you then i believe you wouldn't want to do the quest/collections for skyscale mount -- you wouldn't find it fun, relaxing and casual-oriented.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    Good, because that's a perfectly reasonable answer ;)

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    You keep repeating "this is not legendary", but it has nothing to do with it. Repeating "this is not legendary" whenever you have to do anything more than just "kill that boss while in zerg" doesn't make much sense. Of course it's not legendary. And the effort to get beetle isn't anywhere near the legendary.

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    It is casual and relaxing. The issue is that you're choosing to not make it that way.

    That's your opinion. I don't find it casual and relaxing having to hunt things down outside of the zone I am in, sometimes with vague hints where those items might be. Having to look up where things are on Google takes me out of the game and it is not enjoyable to me.

    Well... then don't do it. It's an idditional content that isn't needed. But as with any other type of game -you want the reward? Complete the requiremenets/content.

  • The only annoying part of the whole thing is getting the alpha beetle in Silverwastes to spawn (it's also a champ, but 2-mannable)...everything else is perfectly doable for both mounts. (unless ofc you hate jumping puzzles, but there's always the Prototype Position Rewinder for those)

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The important thing to bear in mind with any of the collections or achievements introduced in living world episodes is that they're optional. Unless it's actually required in a story step you don't have to do it to complete the story, so if it's not something that interests you and/or you don't want the end result you can simply ignore it.

    There's no requirement that you complete all the masteries for each episode (including unlocking all the mounts) or that you do the meta-achievement or other collections introduced with that episode, get 100% map completion or collect all the new skins and items. (Completing the story is also optional but since that seems to be the OP's priority I'm not including it on this list.)

    (If you do want to do it and need help finding out where to go or what to do I recommend going directly to the Wiki, rather than hoping a google search will bring up the right page. All the info should be there.)

    Danielle Aurorel, Desolation EU. Mini Collector

    "Life's a journey, not a destination."

  • Mungo Zen.9364Mungo Zen.9364 Member ✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Vilin.8056 said:
    Well, since properly RIDING this mount would likely require one or two Youtube tutorials, beetle is probably not your thing, best stick with raptors then.

    You can still rent Beetles in racetracks throughout Tyria.

    Thanks. Knowing there's a 3rd collection after the Saddle was already the final nail for me. So I'll now just forget that content and move ahead with the story.

    You don't need the Roller Beetle, and the quests will always be there to come back to later. The Roller Beetle is a lot of fun and the 'busy work' of the collection is really a small step compared to other collections you may have worked on. Enjoy the game your way!

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's never going to please everyone, but I think many appreciate the collection system to give them a way of earning it through various in game activities. And it keeps zones a bit more active over time.

    Collections for Living Story are very much now the norm, whether it is the huge Skyscale one, legendaries, certain weapon skins and many other achievements.

    The positive outlook is that it is done once and you never even have to think about it again. The beetle is well worth the small investment of time and it can be done in small stages as and when you want to chip away at it

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  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    I cannot stand this attitude players have about everything needing to be "Work" to get. It's supposed to be a game and a way to unwind and have fun. I don't care about all this prestige and showing off my achievements I am so tired of this attitude taking over what is one of my favorite online games. I've been playing GW2 since day 1 so it's frustrating to see it move in this direction. I don't want achievements and collections, I want good and accessible content. Locking MAIN content behind "Work" is not fun. Stop doing it ArenaNet!!!!

    If you gave me the Roller Beetle near the beginning or mid-way through the story, exploring that zone would have been twice as fun and unique the first time I played through it, and it would have been memorable. That's the way Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be.

    Just because something takes work to get doesn't make it any more prestigious!

    I'm so tired of it!

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I cannot stand this attitude players have about everything needing to be "Work" to get. It's supposed to be a game and a way to unwind and have fun. I don't care about all this prestige and showing off my achievements I am so tired of this attitude taking over what is one of my favorite online games. I've been playing GW2 since day 1 so it's frustrating to see it move in this direction. I don't want achievements and collections, I want good and accessible content. Locking MAIN content behind "Work" is not fun. Stop doing it ArenaNet!!!!

    If you gave me the Roller Beetle near the beginning or mid-way through the story, exploring that zone would have been twice as fun and unique the first time I played through it, and it would have been memorable. That's the way Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be.

    Just because something takes work to get doesn't make it any more prestigious!

    I'm so tired of it!

    Those are rewards. The content is what you’re doing to earn them which are the collections. If what’s required to earn the reward doesn’t feel worth it then simply don’t do it. Not everything needs to be dumbed down to the point that everything can be obtained on autopilot.

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    I'm not saying everything should be obtained on autopilot!

    You can't say that mounts are just optional content that can be ignored. What's going to happen when the End of Dragons Expansion releases and in those new maps, Anet have decided to make many of the Mastery points and other areas accessible only by a Skyscale or a Roller Beetle? Will you tell me it's optional content then?

    The way we acquired the first 4 mounts (Jackal, etc) was perfectly well done. It wasn't grindy busy work, you completed a quest and you got the mount - so you can get on with it and enjoy the rest of the content. It's not dumbed down and worthless like you think it is!

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    Think of the skyscale as a legendary mount.
    It pretty much is.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • flog.3485flog.3485 Member ✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I'm not saying everything should be obtained on autopilot!

    You can't say that mounts are just optional content that can be ignored. What's going to happen when the End of Dragons Expansion releases and in those new maps, Anet have decided to make many of the Mastery points and other areas accessible only by a Skyscale or a Roller Beetle? Will you tell me it's optional content then?

    The way we acquired the first 4 mounts (Jackal, etc) was perfectly well done. It wasn't grindy busy work, you completed a quest and you got the mount - so you can get on with it and enjoy the rest of the content.

    They will never lock you out of content just because you don’t have a skyscale or a beetle. Worst case scenario they will make it possible to “rent” the mount. Have you played any festival ? Have you done any race in core Tyrian ?

    No need to overreact.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I'm not saying everything should be obtained on autopilot!

    You complaining about the beetle collection and stating that it’s “work” is what implied that. Even if you’re saying that everything shouldn’t, someone else may have a different opinion on what should be excluded. One may find the beetle collection being too much work while another may not.

    You can't say that mounts are just optional content that can be ignored. What's going to happen when the End of Dragons Expansion releases and in those new maps, Anet have decided to make many of the Mastery points and other areas accessible only by a Skyscale or a Roller Beetle? Will you tell me it's optional content then?

    Has Anet made anything in PoF require HoT masteries?

    The way we acquired the first 4 mounts (Jackal, etc) was perfectly well done. It wasn't grindy busy work, you completed a quest and you got the mount - so you can get on with it and enjoy the rest of the content. It's not dumbed down and worthless like you think it is!

    Compared to the collections, they are.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I cannot stand this attitude players have about everything needing to be "Work" to get. It's supposed to be a game and a way to unwind and have fun. I don't care about all this prestige and showing off my achievements I am so tired of this attitude taking over what is one of my favorite online games. I've been playing GW2 since day 1 so it's frustrating to see it move in this direction. I don't want achievements and collections, I want good and accessible content. Locking MAIN content behind "Work" is not fun. Stop doing it ArenaNet!!!!

    If you gave me the Roller Beetle near the beginning or mid-way through the story, exploring that zone would have been twice as fun and unique the first time I played through it, and it would have been memorable. That's the way Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be.

    Just because something takes work to get doesn't make it any more prestigious!

    I'm so tired of it!

    It's fine you don't like it, but I do and I hope they continue the practice. I enjoy the collections because they are;

    • often well themed
    • sometimes have a mini story attached to them
    • encourage visiting or revisiting other content - this is key because the content would dry up otherwise
    • the tasks to me are fun and not like work

    From Anet's point of view, they need to keep content relevant and this seems to be showing it works for them and the population at large.

    Like I said it's not for everyone, but there is plenty of support for them. In fact there have been plenty of calls for utilising the collections more since they tend to be less grindy than a lot of other methods Anet have used

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    That's the way Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be.

    I don't agree that this is the case. Whilst collections haven't existed since launch, they are very much in the spirit of the game in terms of driving people to playing various contents and compliment it well - especially for prestige mounts like the griffon, beetle and skyscale. ANd the best bit, is you can mostly do them at your lesiure which is very much in the spirit of GW2 (griffon perhaps an exception due to the amount of group based content)

    Even the skimmer gets a collection if you want it to go underwater

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I cannot stand this attitude players have about everything needing to be "Work" to get. It's supposed to be a game and a way to unwind and have fun. I don't care about all this prestige and showing off my achievements I am so tired of this attitude taking over what is one of my favorite online games. I've been playing GW2 since day 1 so it's frustrating to see it move in this direction. I don't want achievements and collections, I want good and accessible content. Locking MAIN content behind "Work" is not fun. Stop doing it ArenaNet!!!!

    If you gave me the Roller Beetle near the beginning or mid-way through the story, exploring that zone would have been twice as fun and unique the first time I played through it, and it would have been memorable. That's the way Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be.

    Just because something takes work to get doesn't make it any more prestigious!

    I'm so tired of it!

    It's not "work", you get rewards for doing something ingame. It's how games usually work, I don't know what you're so surprised about. It's like your complaint boils down to "if I can't get something RIGHT AWAY AT THIS MOMENT then it's already too much!". It's as if you expect to launch the game, unlock everything right away just so you can log out and never actually play the game again. I don't see the point in complaints like that.

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I'm not saying everything should be obtained on autopilot!

    Not everything, just "the things you want", eh? :p

    You can't say that mounts are just optional content that can be ignored. What's going to happen when the End of Dragons Expansion releases and in those new maps, Anet have decided to make many of the Mastery points and other areas accessible only by a Skyscale or a Roller Beetle? Will you tell me it's optional content then?

    They ARE optional content. IF anet does something like that in the future THEN you can claim it's not optional. But it is. What is this hypothetical "what if one day...?!" scenario supposed to show? It doesn't matter what it could be, it matters what it is.

    The way we acquired the first 4 mounts (Jackal, etc) was perfectly well done. It wasn't grindy busy work, you completed a quest and you got the mount - so you can get on with it and enjoy the rest of the content. It's not dumbed down and worthless like you think it is!

    These are the base mounts needed to progress. The rest isn't.

  • voltaicbore.8012voltaicbore.8012 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    Think of the skyscale as a legendary mount.
    It pretty much is.

    I forget exactly where (and I'm not going to look it up at this particular moment), but ANet said exactly this. They referred to the skyscale specifically as a "prestige" mount on par with a legendary piece of equipment. Frankly, compared to assembling an actual piece of legendary gear, the skyscale collections are nowhere near as expensive and tedious. But more importantly, as others have mentioned, ANet isn't going to lock people out of content for not having the prestige mount.

    I (and many others) found the skyscale and beetle collections worth doing. You, @Drakortha.6974 (and also many others) don't - and that's fine! You can get around and do everything just fine without these extra mounts. What I don't agree with is your characterization of these collections as being as burdensome as legendary collections. I think that's objectively incorrect, based on currency cost, time, and mechanical difficulty of the tasks involved.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    Think of the skyscale as a legendary mount.
    It pretty much is.

    I forget exactly where (and I'm not going to look it up at this particular moment), but ANet said exactly this. They referred to the skyscale specifically as a "prestige" mount on par with a legendary piece of equipment.

    Probably this post.

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/77191/an-update-about-the-skyscale-acquisition

    Since we began designing the skyscale, our goal was to deliver a story and experience that rivaled our other prestige mount, the griffon. Instead of putting a hard gold price on obtaining the mount, though, we instead looked at how we could preserve the feeling of investing time and effort in such a powerful mount, while lowering the barrier so more people could obtain the skyscale without breaking the bank.

  • frareanselm.1925frareanselm.1925 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    I'm not saying everything should be obtained on autopilot!

    You can't say that mounts are just optional content that can be ignored. What's going to happen when the End of Dragons Expansion releases and in those new maps, Anet have decided to make many of the Mastery points and other areas accessible only by a Skyscale or a Roller Beetle? Will you tell me it's optional content then?

    The way we acquired the first 4 mounts (Jackal, etc) was perfectly well done. It wasn't grindy busy work, you completed a quest and you got the mount - so you can get on with it and enjoy the rest of the content. It's not dumbed down and worthless like you think it is!

    They wont as proven in path of fire expansion you dont need any of heart of thorns masteries to get any of the new mastery points.
    Anet have given no indication to change that stance.
    Edit
    Yes roller beetle and skyscale is optional content you can get around with a mix of bunny, raptor and skimmer with out a problem

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    Think of the skyscale as a legendary mount.
    It pretty much is.

    I forget exactly where (and I'm not going to look it up at this particular moment), but ANet said exactly this. They referred to the skyscale specifically as a "prestige" mount on par with a legendary piece of equipment. Frankly, compared to assembling an actual piece of legendary gear, the skyscale collections are nowhere near as expensive and tedious. But more importantly, as others have mentioned, ANet isn't going to lock people out of content for not having the prestige mount.

    Locked out?
    No...
    But there are a few things in Icebrood that become very difficult without a skyscale.
    If you have ever seen a player without a Skyscale try and keep up with Drizzlewood or Dragonfall , you realize this "optional" Prestige mount is less optional than we might be leading people to believe.
    While I disagree completely with the OP's attempt to steer a narrative that plays to the low effort mentality just because they don't want go through the quest, I think there is a very fine line between "optional" and "optional but needed" and I firmly believe the Skyscale crosses this line.
    The Skyscale collection/quest is absolutely fantastic content and one of the few times this game has offered me meaningful progression since Path of Fire.... but it is progression, and calling it optional is a misnomer. Current content is absolutely being designed with it in mind.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    I'm assuming Skyscale is optimal to go from champion to champion in Dragonfall but I don't see it being by enough of a degree that they'll miss out on tagging them. I know for certain that you don't need it for Drizzlewood at all as I used Griffon exclusively on that map.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 9, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @voltaicbore.8012 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    I was expecting this type of response.

    This is Living World story content I'm not trying to get a Legendary here. It's tiresome busy work for content that should be more casual and relaxing. Where's the fun in that?

    Think of the skyscale as a legendary mount.
    It pretty much is.

    I forget exactly where (and I'm not going to look it up at this particular moment), but ANet said exactly this. They referred to the skyscale specifically as a "prestige" mount on par with a legendary piece of equipment. Frankly, compared to assembling an actual piece of legendary gear, the skyscale collections are nowhere near as expensive and tedious. But more importantly, as others have mentioned, ANet isn't going to lock people out of content for not having the prestige mount.

    Locked out?
    No...
    But there are a few things in Icebrood that become very difficult without a skyscale.
    If you have ever seen a player without a Skyscale try and keep up with Drizzlewood or Dragonfall , you realize this "optional" Prestige mount is less optional than we might be leading people to believe.
    While I disagree completely with the OP's attempt to steer a narrative that plays to the low effort mentality just because they don't want go through the quest, I think there is a very fine line between "optional" and "optional but needed" and I firmly believe the Skyscale crosses this line.
    The Skyscale collection/quest is absolutely fantastic content and one of the few times this game has offered me meaningful progression since Path of Fire.... but it is progression, and calling it optional is a misnomer. Current content is absolutely being designed with it in mind.

    Nah, there's no problem with keeping up without skyscale. Raptor/jackal are equally as fast, with the only difference and inconvenience being the fact you might sometimes swap mount to springer if you need to bypass a mount. But then again, there are also droppoints. Skyscale isn't needed to keep up and it is optional.

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    Those are your priorities which are backwards. You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game. You feeling that you need them to being exploring is you imposing your own restrictions on yourself.

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    I don't have a single Legendary to this day and that's not due to lack of time spent in the game (Over 4k hours) but because Legendaries always presented themselves as completely optional content and I don't log into GW2 to complete check-lists but to explore and have fun. They are just skins and I never felt like I was missing out by not having them.

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    Or you know... you could just cowboy up and get a skyscale.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    Or you know... you could just cowboy up and get a skyscale.

    So I can just sit on it at Lion's Arch for 10 hours a day showing off my Prestige to all of the plebs? I'm not that vain thank goodness..

  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    Or you know... you could just cowboy up and get a skyscale.

    So I can just sit on it at Lion's Arch for 10 hours a day showing off my Prestige to all of the plebs? I'm not that vain thank goodness..

    Or you can see it for what it is:
    Long term QoL progression of your account.
    But sure... if you want to look at it in an ugly way... you do you.

    "We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content." Gaile Gray 01.10.19

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    Or you know... you could just cowboy up and get a skyscale.

    So I can just sit on it at Lion's Arch for 10 hours a day showing off my Prestige to all of the plebs? I'm not that vain thank goodness..

    Or you can see it for what it is:
    Long term QoL progression of your account.
    But sure... if you want to look at it in an ugly way... you do you.

    I do see it for what it is any time I visit a place like Lions Arch. That's the reality of these collectible items, especially skins. It's a way to show off and flaunt your achievements. Which is fine, as I've stated previously. My problem stems from this kind of content spilling over into the gameplay department. Legendaries never had an impact on gameplay but mounts do, especially if Anet are designing maps with the prestigious ones in mind.

    Telling anyone that complains about it to "Cowboy up" or "Get good" is not a solution.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Anet hasn't required HoT masteries for anything in PoF so there's no reason to expect that they'd suddenly change course and have PoF masteries required for some content in EoD. You're relying on a hypothetical based solely on your highly biased opinion simply because you were disappointed that a collection required you to do something outside of a single map.

    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    You keep saying certain mounts are required over and over for exploration. Please provide evidence to back that up.

    There is nothing prestigious about padding out content. By calling it Prestigious you are just overglorifying the time you spent completing a to-do list that anyone can do.. assuming they can tolerate the monotonous nature of it.

    The prestige comes from the journey as well as what you achieved from it. If it's something which you do not like, then by all means, don't do it.

    I don't have a single Legendary to this day and that's not due to lack of time spent in the game (Over 4k hours) but because Legendaries always presented themselves as completely optional content and I don't log into GW2 to complete check-lists but to explore and have fun. They are just skins and I never felt like I was missing out by not having them.

    Just as you say that legendaries are optional, so are the Skyscale and Griffon mounts for exploration..

  • Astyrah.4015Astyrah.4015 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drakortha.6974 said:
    Exploration was GW2's most redeeming quality. If Anet want to lock some things behind collections, then by all means. Let there be collections for those who enjoy that type of content. But the reality is there are players out there who enjoy this game primarily for it's exploration aspects and when you apply "Prestige" to mounts that are required for effective exploration, you are excluding those people from what they enjoy about this game.

    pretty sure the only thing skyscale is required for in exploration is breaking out of the map boundaries/invisible walls.

    the beetle doesn't offer anything other than it's speed vs the other terrestrial mounts (an no, those breakable walls don't count -- the stuff behind them are unremarkable, it's not like in console games where if you find this secret room, you'll get stuff that helps you kill that boss, lol no nothing like that at all in gw2) + i've seen so many people crash into walls on sharp turns or obstacles and take too long to recover that the ones running on jackal/raptor more often than not just run past them

    exploration as intended in GW2 can be done with the 4 basic mounts (raptor, springer, skimmer, jackal) or by walking =)


    also this:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    You keep saying certain mounts are required over and over for exploration. Please provide evidence to back that up.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Drakortha.6974 said:

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Then do as much as you feel like every day until you get it (might be 6 months) you dont have to get it right now.

    If it's going to take that long to get a mount, I'm just going to play a different game.

    Guild Wars 2 is (or was) a game about exploration. It should take 6 months to explore everything - not 6 months to grind out for a mount needed to even begin exploring...

    The priorities are so backwards!

    You do not need Skyscale to explore any part of the game. You do not need Griffon to explore any part of the game.

    You don't need them - until you do. As noted by some of the other posters in this thread.

    Wasn't that "someone" YOU? And all you've said (apparently still are saying?) was "what if they make it mandatory in future content?!" -the fact remains that it's not mandatory, so you have nothing to complain about in this case at this time. Nothing stays in a way of your "exploration" in current iteration of the game. It also probably never will, but if ONE DAY skyscale will for some reason become mandatory THEN you'll be free to complain that it's mandatory. Now it's not and you're still complaining pretending it's somehow locking the game up for you.

  • Cuks.8241Cuks.8241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Collections are usually not grindy. At least not as I see grind which is repeating a certain task over and over. They are like quests in other games. They take you around the world performing different activities.
    Anyway if you don't feel like doing the whole collection at once just start it and play other stuff. You will stumble on different parts of the collection while playing the game.

  • frareanselm.1925frareanselm.1925 Member ✭✭✭

    @Cuks.8241 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Collections are usually not grindy. At least not as I see grind which is repeating a certain task over and over. They are like quests in other games. They take you around the world performing different activities.
    Anyway if you don't feel like doing the whole collection at once just start it and play other stuff. You will stumble on different parts of the collection while playing the game.

    Well, collections are kill this boss and you get x material, do it 10 times! When I had to do it for the mistward revenant armor it felt grindy. Then do it for mounts, armors, again and again...

  • Jong.5937Jong.5937 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    It was a long time ago, but I don't even remember the beetle even being that grindy! Certainly not 6 months, as mentioned above, not even 6 days. Possibly it was more than 6 hours!

    This thread started with a complaint about moving off the map in which it is introduced and I don't get that. It's not like you need to spend days literally walking across the world to get the other locations and, as someone else explained, having things to gather or collect on other maps is a great way of keeping the whole world alive with people, rather than all focused on one or two maps.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The OP is overreacting about how long it takes. Had it done in 2 days because I missed a timed event. By far its much easier than the griffon or skyscale.

  • Sobx.1758Sobx.1758 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Cuks.8241 said:

    @frareanselm.1925 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    You want a reward without effort. Where's the fun in that?

    The effort is excessive. And after a hard day of work in our job, we want fun, not grind and grind and grind...

    Collections are usually not grindy. At least not as I see grind which is repeating a certain task over and over. They are like quests in other games. They take you around the world performing different activities.
    Anyway if you don't feel like doing the whole collection at once just start it and play other stuff. You will stumble on different parts of the collection while playing the game.

    Well, collections are kill this boss and you get x material, do it 10 times! When I had to do it for the mistward revenant armor it felt grindy. Then do it for mounts, armors, again and again...

    If killing a boss is somehow still "so grindy" then what would be a reasonable long "quest line" (which collections imitate) then?
    Skyscale collection actually forces you to take breaks, in case you still think it's somehow meant to be done "in one sitting"... It's not, it's a set of tasks, not a single task. And you don't even need to do it if you don't want to, it won't lock game progress for you. These "because I want it now!" complaints are just ridiculous.

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    The OP is overreacting about how long it takes.

    True.

  • Drakortha.6974Drakortha.6974 Member ✭✭
    edited April 10, 2021

    I have already begun my epic journey to acquire the prestigious Roller Beetle mount. Today alone I have spent a collective total of 3 hours standing around waiting for meta events to happen so that I can get collectibles. I just wanted to let you all know that I was wrong about what I said. So far this is very exciting content indeed.

    Right now I am just waiting for the opportunity to bypass this door that won't seem to open without the correct meta event. I have begun my search on the wikipedia for more information, which is what I spend about half of my adventure doing.