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Do You Raid?

TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited December 31, 2017 in Fractals, Dungeons, and Raids

Forum goers are a sampling of the player base but it can still be taken as directional. So do you raid?

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Do You Raid? 662 votes

Yes, regularly.
21%
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Yes, sometimes.
12%
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No, tried it but didn't work out.
11%
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No, no group don't want to pug.
16%
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No, not interested.
30%
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Other (State your thought).
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Comments

  • Does "I do raid training" count?
    Only ever beaten 2 raids before.

    Did I think 6 total.
    1 I tried to solo for the 1st time.
    1 boss I did with a training group and failed.
    1 that I was pretty much escorted through with some other newbs to get the mastery line unlocked.
    1 training group that failed.
    1 training groups that completed 2 bosses and lost at the 3rd.
    1 training group that tried 2 bosses and failed both.

  • TheGrimm.5624TheGrimm.5624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:
    Does "I do raid training" count?

    No, its doesn't.

    But to further state, trying to quantify how many raid and how many don't. ANet has access to numbers we don't but hasn't shared, so trying to see if opinions are on mark or off with the limited sampling the forum can provide. Any votes are most welcome. Thanks for your time!

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  • Lunateric.3708Lunateric.3708 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    Yeah, I raid regularly. Usually do a full clear on reset and just join random pugs during the week when waiting for my fractal group or for a HoT meta.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    Sort of interested but just dont have the time.

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    I do love to raid but I confront two major counters:

    • Timing: It needs to commit what I can't due to busy real life.
    • Required equipment: It is expensive. I already work out equipment for my WvW and Fractals toons. I can't do all at same time. Raid will have to wait.

    I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message...

  • Other (State your thought).

    not yet, but interested to start in the near future. im on the way to have proper gear on my ranger soon to deliver several builds to be more flexible with playstyles such as healer, condi dps, etc. i will go into raids to play new content, if i like it i might go for the legendary items, if i dont like it i will drop it and go back to wvw or pvp

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  • No, tried it but didn't work out.

    I have tried, and it did work out with my guild. But i am not interested. It is good to play once or twice but more than that is super boring.

    I think the Dungeon at launch is more attractive than raid.

    Cross

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    I haven't yet, but I want to.

    The only things stopping me are having too much else to do and needing to have enough time on a regular basis. Playing for 2 hours I can do, 2 hours a week I can do. But 2 hours uninterrupted at the same time every week? That doesn't happen in my life.

    But once things go back to "normal" in the new year I want to start.

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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    Organising a 10 man pug group is difficult, and though I hate to say it, I am not a good enough as a player to carry others through this content - so I need quality players... or, failing that, quality builds. I don't like being the elitest git, but while running "anyone welcome" on the LFG, I typically found players who joined had conformed to the WoW meta rather than what the group needed (Settlers Ele "support" and Soldiers Guardian "tanks" being a good example). Such comps may work in the hands of organised and experienced groups, but for first timers, it just made the whole ordeal somewhat frustrating.

    Also, Euro raid (and training) guilds usually operate about the same time, which is inopertune for an OCE player. I've also found it hard to commit to a specific time, because life.

    I just don't think me and raids will ever go together.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    Yes did pick up raiding recently, just going with guildies/friends as i can't be bothered to join pug groups and their illogical requirements.

    Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and own you with experience.
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  • Torolan.5816Torolan.5816 Member ✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    I was actually torn between 3 and 5. I raided in the past with my guild members but found it to just not be my stuff.

  • Other (State your thought).

    Wish i can but i can't find people or guild that raid

  • Other (State your thought).

    Perspective:
    Their(Raids) implementation is a bit superfluous, i.e. ANet is using them to compete with other game developers. Furthermore, entry to these areas and/or how they're displayed is a poor attempt at in-game marketing practices: Large, mystic, ominous looking portals daring the player to step through -- only to discover that they must form a group with a number of other players, (e.g. players of the 'right' class, build and knowledge). These restrictions create a 'mythos' within the G.W.2. gaming community and all inquires regarding such filter to forums and information sites that can be viewed by anyone.

    It's an opinion, but I'd say that Raiding content in G.W.2. is incomplete. I'll not invest in that at this time, but simply observe till new developments/changes have been made or at the very least till some form of stylized Raid 'preparation' is created; certainly something different or more engaging than, "You must be in a Squad of 10 players to play this Raid."

  • Yes, regularly.

    I started like everyone else. And it was hard in the beginning. Technical issues aside, once you practice enough times it will eventually become easy. I don't play all the time. It took me over a year to get where I'm at.

  • Other (State your thought).

    Once. The guild was doing a raid with its normal group. We have group of people who is enough into raiding to organize weekly training runs. However the group was not full at all and they were struggling with the escort mission. When I joined, I realized they basically did the job of two groups with one, the mesmer doing the towers alone an porting up a few members of the group when he was in need of help. Looked pretty amazing for a raid mission. After three or four wipes, we made it with 6-7 people. We took a look on the next boss which slaughtered us within seconds, basically to have a preview of its combat-mechanics. We even had a closer look on Cairn later, but the raid was basically over, once we finished the escort.

    I will stuck on my 14 shards and 1 LI for a long time. The guild has very weird raiding times (imho), which prevents me from joining them even if I was interested. In the few cases I am on time and there is space, I usually pass.

    Due to the special mechanics inside the raids (death, timers, ...) I still beleive this is not Guildwars2. The entire system is designed to watch the guides and follow them one by one. Those who are stupid enough to try and explore on their own, are doomed to die a million times. It feels a bit like the sPvP. A very cool game with an awesome GW2 paint job. Ignoring core-aspects of the real game in order to satisfy the wow-players is a questionable strategy. From ANet's pov, it pays off. But from my pov, it is not worth the extra trouble. Too many limitations. Feels a bit like playing soccer in Proxemics Lab maze. I do not have enough imagination to make the walls dissappear ^^.

    PS: We do all our raids (guild) without any restrictions. People can come as they want, play what they want, with builds they like to use. If someone wants to play a meta-build, he sure can. If the others do not want to, it is fine as well. Our success-rate is far below average. But those who participate frequently have a nice collection of shards and LI by now. Nothing to pose in a elite-raid-group, but enough to have some nice loot.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    I jump I to raids sometimes during off hours, but it's not as fun as WvW

    -Balwarc [ICoa]

  • No, tried it but didn't work out.

    Tried. Joined six training groups but it was always the same: they'd try once or twice, then a handful would always give up saying it was too hard, then you'd try looking for more to fill the space... rinse and repeat, with the net result being no one would ever get anywhere. Some of the leaders seemed great at training, in my experience the followers/trainees let them down. But will try again again one day I'm sure, would love to experience more of that part of Tyria.

  • Belorn.2659Belorn.2659 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    Yes, regularly.

    pug training is sadly a bit like that.

    Guilds that do raid training generally mix in regulars into the runs, and the rules to stay the whole run get enforced as guild rules. just find a guild that does raid and don't have any rep requirements, and you should get much more consistent training runs.

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    Raiding is easy. As is everything else in the game once you know what to do. You have to grind to get gud, tho. Great way to make gold fast and get weapons/armor.

    Saying raiding is easy is not correct. Raiding is easy for you. It's not easy for people who have less time, or constant interruptions in their time. It's not easy for people who live the Oceanic region who now have higher ping than they've ever had. It's not easy for people who have slower reaction times. Raiding, for me, is doable. I can raid. But I also live in Tasmania, and with the lag spikes, it's not even close to being easy, and because of that it's often not fun. And you know, I'm not the only guy who plays this game that lives in Australia or New Zealand, or Singapore, or Thailand, or any one of dozens of other countries that have this problem.

    Raid is like 2 hours dedicated PvP match. There is no "brb" in pvp. There is no "give me 15m to make/eat/buy dinner". If you try to do 5 healers, or all celestial, then expect trouble. Have 3 second delay on all skills and expect getting killed by teams without such lag.

    Raid is all that but instead of 5 people you have to have 10 people. Anyone who did gvg back in gw1 days or done 10 man organized pvp knows the trouble that depending on 10 people brings. It not easy, but it can be very fun.

  • RoseofGilead.8907RoseofGilead.8907 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    I'd like to raid, but I just don't have the time.

    Oh look. I have a signature now.

  • Silmar Alech.4305Silmar Alech.4305 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    No, tried it but didn't work out.

    Being forced to do training on the real bosses and only fail while doing this prevents me from further pursuing raid activity. I would very much like to do this kind of instanced organized content, but it's not fun preparing until you have fun. Rising through the fractal ranks and exploring fractal tier after fractal tier up to the challenge modes was fun and entertaining and provided content for a long time. Raid training is not.

    I don't understand the concept anyway: PvP for example has a sophisticated matchmaking system to create matches between equally skilled players to get balanced matches, while in a raid, the novice PvE players are put to the endgame super hyper bosses and are expected to learn how to beat them. If matchmaking in PvP works this way and novice PvP players are matched against the world champions, we'd have probably no PvP players any more after the first months of release except the world champions.

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  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Yes, I too hope they make decisions based on an online poll with less than 100 participants /s

  • Nilson.9865Nilson.9865 Member ✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    I was in raids. I wasted more then 30 minutes on 1 boss. Was it fun? No, because after 3rd attempt people start being annoying. And when one guy left group, then i had to wait for another guy. Then i tried to find raiding guild. Guilds had special time for raids, i have to have special class or two for raid. I had to know useful rotation for class that i was on. So join to the raid guild felt like a job. Job at daytime, job in game at evening...
    Game didn't tell me recommended classes for raid, only group of ten. All info about raids i had to find outside the game.
    Please tell me some reasons why i have to start raiding. At the moment i can't tell why someone should start raiding.(legendary armor and ????)

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    I raid 2-4 days a week, but only since I got a somewhat static group to go with, which I am very thankful and I know i might just got lucky, finding likeminded ppl(mostly) to raid. I haven't pug'd much, haven't even tried it a lot. The randoms we picked up in our group so far have ranged from toxic elitists to "play whatever you like casuals", from really nice, freindly and helpful ppl to complete jerks. I just like to not pug. Also the time you spend waiting for a group(unless you're a chrono or can do any other fancy tricks your average DPSZOMG!!!!-Raider can't do) or until a group fills up is tedious, where a static group with set times is rather convenient.

    I like the design of the encounters, the stories, earning decorations for my guild and I was there for the legendary armor. I wish there was a way to experience the encounters and stories solo and I would take it, that that mode wouldn't offer ANY RAID SPECIFIC rewards, a champion chest like from a dungeon or storychapter maybe, but no Raid-Skins, no Shards, no credit for achievements(unless they're new ones for this specific mode), no insights, no progress on the legendary armor, no decorations or different ones. But most of the give us easy-mode now crowd won't admit that they actually want the insights, the armor, the skins, the shards ad so on, they just don't want to raid for it. A solo or training mode would also let more people learn and see the mechanics before going for the hard and challenging real raid content(real as in "intended by Anet").

    I'm glad I've didi it and I will continue to raid with my group but I still don't think that this game would've needed raids or that they were beneficial for the community as I experience it. Sure, I've found some awesome players and learned a lot about the game in the last year. But I also lost awesome players because they left the game, feeling left out of the changing process GW2 has gone through. I spend more time in teamspek due to the raids and having that connection to ppl is great, but I also see that the raids and cm's have devided the PvE community quite a bit, to a point where you have toxic players on both ends of the stick fighting for ANets attention.

    So yeah, I would have totally played a GW2 without Raids but since they're here now I have to decide if I want to go for it or not. I decided that, should I get a group, I'd go for the armor. Found a group then went for it, took me 9 months. You have to decide for yourself if you want to do it or if the rewards are worth the time you will have to invest into the venture.

    If you want X, and Y is needed to get get X, you also have to want Y if you really want X. If you don't want Y, you don't want X. It's easy.
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  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    @Turin.6921 said:

    @Nilson.9865 said:
    I was in raids. I wasted more then 30 minutes on 1 boss. Was it fun? No, because after 3rd attempt people start being annoying. And when one guy left group, then i had to wait for another guy. Then i tried to find raiding guild. Guilds had special time for raids, i have to have special class or two for raid. I had to know useful rotation for class that i was on. So join to the raid guild felt like a job. Job at daytime, job in game at evening...
    Game didn't tell me recommended classes for raid, only group of ten. All info about raids i had to find outside the game.
    Please tell me some reasons why i have to start raiding. At the moment i can't tell why someone should start raiding.(legendary armor and ????)

    You do not have to. But some people actually have fun with the process and the challenge. Its is a matter of taste. You find failing on sth for 30 minutes boring. Others find succeeding after 2-3 hours or training their classes really rewarding. Different strokes for different people. And raiding with the right people and nice guilds or communities can be really fun.

    Case in point:

    I love their vids. It's just the honest joy I feel in their community. They're just having a good time, nevermind how good the numbers where or who had the best boon-uptime and whatnot. :)

    If you want X, and Y is needed to get get X, you also have to want Y if you really want X. If you don't want Y, you don't want X. It's easy.
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    Contra: New Races, New Classes, New Weapons, Capes

  • Lunateric.3708Lunateric.3708 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    @Turin.6921 said:

    @Nilson.9865 said:
    I was in raids. I wasted more then 30 minutes on 1 boss. Was it fun? No, because after 3rd attempt people start being annoying. And when one guy left group, then i had to wait for another guy. Then i tried to find raiding guild. Guilds had special time for raids, i have to have special class or two for raid. I had to know useful rotation for class that i was on. So join to the raid guild felt like a job. Job at daytime, job in game at evening...
    Game didn't tell me recommended classes for raid, only group of ten. All info about raids i had to find outside the game.
    Please tell me some reasons why i have to start raiding. At the moment i can't tell why someone should start raiding.(legendary armor and ????)

    You do not have to. But some people actually have fun with the process and the challenge. Its is a matter of taste. You find failing on sth for 30 minutes boring. Others find succeeding after 2-3 hours or training their classes really rewarding. Different strokes for different people. And raiding with the right people and nice guilds or communities can be really fun.

    Case in point:


    First time I see their videos around here, always a blast to watch them again!

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 are you seeing the "numbers"?

  • No, not interested.

    even tho i can i just not interested at all in any type or shape of raiding at all!! when anet let 3rd party DPS meters come into the game as a whole . that made it even more better for me NOT to raid at all!! no matter the rewards or the collections or armor or minis or ranks they put to them . just not happen here at all !!! altogether just really reminds me of more world of war craft than it does guild wars or guild wars2 even when the game first came out back in 2012 :/ :/ :#

  • Coconut.7082Coconut.7082 Member ✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    Oh look, another raid hate post disguised as an innocent poll.

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