Artemis.8034 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) While I have a thief and an engi neither have a viable spec with pistols. Engi dont even use them they just equip them and never shoot them, just go into kit spam! Really disappointed thief has no viable pistol spec either, its rifle deadeye, staff DD, with pistols as an afterthought for those few times you cant be stacked. Even warrior dont have a viable option for main weapon pistol. I really want to use pistols since you didnt give ranger a rifle or pistols and untamed is a trainwreck because of hammer, I had hoped my thief or engi could make use of them , but sadly no. Edited April 17, 2022 by Artemis.8034 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 OH pistol for thief is actually a really good choice for many weapon sets, MH pistol could use some redesigns (along with the dual wielding system in general) but at least P/D is decent (to some degree). As for engineer... let's put it this way: why A-Net made a weapon that fires exploding bullets (with sound effects, splash damage and everything) but still decided to not make these shots count as explosions (in spite of this profession having an entire spec based around it) is beyond me. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryou.2398 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Tails.9372 said: OH pistol for thief is actually a really good choice for many weapon sets, MH pistol could use some redesigns (along with the dual wielding system in general) but at least P/D is decent (to some degree). As for engineer... let's put it this way: why A-Net made a weapon that fires exploding bullets (with sound effects, splash damage and everything) but still decided to not make these shots count as explosions (in spite of this profession having an entire spec based around it) is beyond me. That is beyond weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 What do you mean? condi mech uses pistols on one variant and so did condi holo.https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mechanist-dpshttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-alacrity-mechanisthttps://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/mechanist/condition-alacrity-mechanist If you play heal scrapper pistol+shield is a common setup as well.https://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/scrapper/heal-quickness-scrapperhttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/heal-scrapper-quickness 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Tails.9372 said: As for engineer... let's put it this way: why A-Net made a weapon that fires exploding bullets (with sound effects, splash damage and everything) but still decided to not make these shots count as explosions (in spite of this profession having an entire spec based around it) is beyond me. Also just to remind everyone, the engie pistol fires 50% slower than Anet says it fires. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayerXX.7138 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Thief actually uses pistol a lot. Pistol/dagger Core and Daredevil is a thing in PvP. Pistol/dagger Deadeye is the best solo build if you wanna face Strong singular mobs. And double Pistol is so good at leveling, it pretty much invalidates all other weapon till 80. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcatraznc.3869 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Thief pistol is good, I dont know what you're talking about. Engineer is uh....could use some love I guess Bladesworn is actually decent and offers good synergy with the trait line. Same for Harbringer. Overall pistol is a pretty solid weapon on most class 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antycypator.9874 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Remember that bug with thief MH pistol, when ANet accidentally deleted cast-time on Vital Shot? That was pretty good. It wasn't overpowered — 3k dps from AA is more common than you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarius.9285 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Artemis.8034 said: While I have a thief and an engi neither have a viable spec with pistols. lol what? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombras.2853 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Condi Mirage also uses Pistol. Harbinger also does. Pistol is a very respectable weapon. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Pistol is fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterman.1530 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Infusion.7149 said: What do you mean? condi mech uses pistols on one variant and so did condi holo.https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mechanist-dpshttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-alacrity-mechanisthttps://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/mechanist/condition-alacrity-mechanist If you play heal scrapper pistol+shield is a common setup as well.https://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/scrapper/heal-quickness-scrapperhttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/heal-scrapper-quickness Well, common to Lucky Noobs and Snowcrows maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexZero.7910 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Wait people are legit asking for engie pistol to be buffed ... Like okay as someone who plays engie i'll take it, but it's certainly not needed. Both Main and OH pistol on Engie are in fine spots. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, misterman.1530 said: Well, common to Lucky Noobs and Snowcrows maybe? Heal scrapper is also meta in WVW. It's undeniable mechanist is the most common engineer right now in PVE, where pistols was the default weaponchoice for condi up until a change to mace such that J-drive with maces is competitive (though less damage). Edited April 17, 2022 by Infusion.7149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 hours ago, TexZero.7910 said: Wait people are legit asking for engie pistol to be buffed ... Like okay as someone who plays engie i'll take it, but it's certainly not needed. Both Main and OH pistol on Engie are in fine spots. If we put the bar low enough Engi pistol is fine. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Pistols are fine Rifles are so clunky it's not even worth it 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joraan Adenard.2061 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) - Engineer : condition and condi-alac mechanist meta builds use pistols, main-hand and off-hand - Necromancer : condition and condi-quickness harbinger meta builds use main-hand pistol - Warrior : power dps bladesworn meta build uses pistol - Mesmer : condi-quickness chrono and condi-dps mirage meta builds use off-hand pistol - Thief : boon daredevil and condi-alac specter meta builds use pistol as secondary weapon set for extra CC So all professions that can use pistol use them in PvE as part of their meta builds. That's not even considering PvP/WvW builds which i'm not familiar with, and all other variations of PvE builds that players can come up with. All in all, pistol seems to be in a very good place ! Edited April 17, 2022 by Joraan Adenard.2061 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis.8034 Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 20 hours ago, Infusion.7149 said: What do you mean? condi mech uses pistols on one variant and so did condi holo.https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mechanist-dpshttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-alacrity-mechanisthttps://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/mechanist/condition-alacrity-mechanist If you play heal scrapper pistol+shield is a common setup as well.https://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/scrapper/heal-quickness-scrapperhttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/heal-scrapper-quickness Umm you dont actually really use the pistol if you look at the rotation logs you use bomb grenade and mortar kits, not pistol. Pistol is filler. Why even have a weapon equipped you dont use as primary damage. Maybe you people dont understand what i said. You dont use pistol as a primary damage weapon, you use kits. I rather shoot pistols than have to use grenades and bombs, lets face it shooting looks better than carrying a bomb, it aesthetically pleasing. Shooting dual wielded handguns is not viable in any content outside of open world 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, Artemis.8034 said: Umm you dont actually really use the pistol if you look at the rotation logs you use bomb grenade and mortar kits, not pistol. Pistol is filler. Why even have a weapon equipped you dont use as primary damage. Maybe you people dont understand what i said. You dont use pistol as a primary damage weapon, you use kits. I rather shoot pistols than have to use grenades and bombs, lets face it shooting looks better than carrying a bomb, it aesthetically pleasing. Shooting dual wielded handguns is not viable in any content outside of open world So what? The same can be said of rotations from necro, guardian, etc... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayerXX.7138 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Artemis.8034 said: Umm you dont actually really use the pistol if you look at the rotation logs you use bomb grenade and mortar kits, not pistol. Pistol is filler. Why even have a weapon equipped you dont use as primary damage. Maybe you people dont understand what i said. You dont use pistol as a primary damage weapon, you use kits. I rather shoot pistols than have to use grenades and bombs, lets face it shooting looks better than carrying a bomb, it aesthetically pleasing. Shooting dual wielded handguns is not viable in any content outside of open world Looking at the first link: Priority 1. Shrapnel grenade 2. Pistol 4 -> pistol 3 3. ... 4 Pistol 2 Of course it is viable. Take your thief to the Dps golem and do your normal Power Dps rotation. Equip Double Pistol press 3. Do 15% less Dps while simplifying your rotation an looking good. If you for some reason don't get enough might, Unload isn't even a Dps loss. And Pistol Dagger did so much golem Dps they nerfed it. If you wanna have fun in the game don't look at optimized rotations. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eloc Freidon.5692 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Pistols are fine on their default classes. I am very disappointed that Warriors, the class that specializes in dual wield weapons, doesn't have a main hand pistol. Offhand pistol is quite useless as much as Guardian's offhand sword. They don't work well with what is already available in their default weapon selection. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNotMatthew.1058 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 7:18 AM, Infusion.7149 said: What do you mean? condi mech uses pistols on one variant and so did condi holo.https://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-mechanist-dpshttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/condition-alacrity-mechanisthttps://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/mechanist/condition-alacrity-mechanist If you play heal scrapper pistol+shield is a common setup as well.https://snowcrows.com/builds/engineer/scrapper/heal-quickness-scrapperhttps://lucky-noobs.com/builds/heal-scrapper-quickness Condi Mech can run Mace instead of MH pistol, Condi Alac can as well if I'm correct. In case of Heal Scrapper MH Pistol is used because there is no other MH only weapon for Engi, since you run Shield on hScrapper you are stuck with MH Pistol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suyheuti.1732 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 19 hours ago, Joraan Adenard.2061 said: - Engineer : condition and condi-alac mechanist meta builds use pistols, main-hand and off-hand This is not his point about engi pistol. Yes you put mh but almost you dont use it. Kits always. Even autoaatacks are grenade skill 1. Engi pistol mh skills, especially autoattacks are too lame. I hate to use multiple kits. I changed to mace on my condi mechanist and I relieved now. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Suyheuti.1732 said: This is not his point about engi pistol. Yes you put mh but almost you dont use it. Kits always. Even autoaatacks are grenade skill 1. That's the point of kits. Always has been since launch. Engineer weapons are balanced around kits. No other class has kits. Elementalist attunements are the closest thing to kits which is why elementalist's other skills end up being more utility in nature than damaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stx.4857 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I am a engi main and Thief is a close second. I have always used dual pistols on engi as I have mainly played condi builds. They're not perfect but Pistol 2, 3, and 4 deal good damage and 5 is nice breakbar, just the auto attack sucks. As for thief, dual Pistol unload spam got really boring for me but I have recently started playing pistol/Dagger in open world and I find it fun and very strong. Maybe pistols aren't the top of the meta but they're not in the worst state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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