Gorem.8104 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Coming back after a break from the game and for the past decade many things have stayed the same. By the looks of things a bunch of things that were not broken were fixed for no reason. Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? For the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. Now you are forced to keep doing this new thing to keep up. And what on Earth happened to runes and why are Relics so dumb and worse in every way? 1 2 9 20 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingus.4236 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 You left, they weren't happy about that and did this to annoy you. 27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCatz.8437 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, Gorem.8104 said: Coming back after a break from the game and for the past decade many things have stayed the same. By the looks of things a bunch of things that were not broken were fixed for no reason. Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? For the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. Now you are forced to keep doing this new thing to keep up. And what on Earth happened to runes and why are Relics so dumb and worse in every way? Please read this link which explains how the "old" system have been replaced with Wizard's Vault where you need to earn Astral Acclaim to get most stuff that you got from log in reward by only log in each day. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Wizard's_Vault As for Relic, they offer some flexibility as the 6th bonus now have been replaced and you can change which Relic you have active on your character. Runes have been changed so they mostly are the same as a group for what attribute they offer (you will find that Runes with different names - from when they had 6th bonus - now often give less variation for attributes). We don't know the long term plan for this change outside of what Arenanet have told us during their Guild Chat presentation. Anyway it is probably because Arenanet want to introduce some vertical progression which is in line with those changes that doesn't force a new type of game play from increasing level or hunt for armour/weapon with higher level then Ascended/Legendary tier at level 80. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chichimec.9364 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Gorem.8104 said: ...Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? For the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. Now you are forced to keep doing this new thing to keep up. And what on Earth happened to runes and why are Relics so dumb and worse in every way? Except for looking at which relic to put on my main alts, I haven't paid much attention to them. So other folks will have to talk about those. As for the Wizard's Vault and the new daily/weekly system, people have been screaming FOMO about all that since it was first introduced. I can't speak for anyone but myself but I find the accusation of "FOMO!" to be hilarious when it comes to the WV and those new dailies/weeklies. For me, there has been more than enough time for me to earn the astral acclaim to buy everything and anything I wanted out of the Vault. When it reset this week, the cosmetics went to the legacy section while the basic stuff, the stuff I'm interested in, like cheap gold, mystic coins, laurels, and Tier 6 mat bags all became available again. I've already gotten the cheap gold and mystic coins since the Vault reset so I could take a month or two off, come back, and still have plenty of time to get the laurels and T6 mat bags I want. So for me, there is no FOMO there at all. As for the new dailies and weeklies, they were a bit clunky in the beginning but they have been slowly getting better. On my main account I do the WvW dailies/weeklies and always get them done easily without any muss or fuss. I also do the PVE dailies and weeklies on four alt accounts and that has been fun for me. They take me back to maps, metas, and world bosses I haven't played in a while and I enjoy doing them. That's just me though. Different strokes for different folks and all that. Some people like the new system and some don't but that can be said about almost everything in this world. Heck, my WvW guild has a running civil war going on between those who love pineapple on their pizza and those who gag at the very thought of such a thing. 😂 🍍 🍕 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuavePuppy.2809 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Runes: They wanted to separate the full stack bonus from the stats on runes, and put the bonus effect onto relics so you can mix and match the stats and the effects. What ended up happening was they flat out removed some of the more popular rune effects, didn't give them suitable replacements in the eyes of many players, left the tooltips for the relics somewhat ambiguous as to what the do, tied many of the effects to the usage of elite skills, and annoyed many of those players who had their legendary runes stripped of part of their usefulness. Daily Login Rewards: You actually have to play the game a bit to get the rewards. In my eyes, this is a fine change. The choices of dailies that can be completed are not as flexible as they used to be, however, which is not a fine change. The changes have been met with overall mixed reviews. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) You left but your past threads show that you are/were both present for the SotO launch as well as aware of both the rune as well as daily changes (and critical of them). When has lying and intentional misleading become the norm for honest conversation or criticism? Has pushing a personal agenda become so important to some? Edited November 12, 2023 by Cyninja.2954 4 38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) So long as the meta shifts towards certain relics, and game shaking updates like Rune/Relic split don't become the norm for expansions, I suppose Relics are fine. My fear is that a new player will log in, be confronted with a load of "options" they don't have the numbers/context to navigate, and make suboptimal/unfun decisions that will drive them away. Because, you have to remember that GW2 is easily the most forgiving mmo in regards to quitting for long periods of time, and coming back like nothing ever happened. Edited November 12, 2023 by Westenev.5289 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marikus.1875 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 "Took a break, now I'm back to complain" 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: or the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. How you can be saying that with a straight face is honestly beyond me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucy.3728 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? The world has moved on without you and things still change. I had a break of 7 years. It was much, much more difficult to get back into the game and it took a lot of effort to reach a standard to keep up with the majority of the other players. If such a small change puts you off, then you don't really want to play. Adjust or let it. Edited November 12, 2023 by Lucy.3728 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) They changed runes and dailies simply for the sake of changing systems. Whether it's good or not is debatable, a lot of people dislike both new systems. In my case, it stopped me from logging into the game regularly. Edited November 12, 2023 by Fueki.4753 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zealex.9410 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, zealex.9410 said: How you can be saying that with a straight face is honestly beyond me. Ahhh nvm you weren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parasite.5389 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) Except you havent taken a break, we can see you post history, you've been complaining for over a year Edited November 12, 2023 by Parasite.5389 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizuira.8245 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Welcome to SOTO. Downgrades everywhere and replacements are marketed as "new content"... Enjoy 🤑 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCatz.8437 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Parasite.5389 said: Except you havent taken a break, we can see you post history, you've been complaining for over a year Maybe there are some kind of hidden reward for complaining on GW2 forum for that person? 😛 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albadaran.1283 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 This player did not leave at all. Check his postings. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNecrosanct.4028 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 14 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: Coming back after a break from the game and for the past decade many things have stayed the same. By the looks of things a bunch of things that were not broken were fixed for no reason. Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? For the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. Now you are forced to keep doing this new thing to keep up. And what on Earth happened to runes and why are Relics so dumb and worse in every way? Looks like this thread is ready to be closed. You are creating your own false echo by repeating the same talking points over and over again in new threads. There's probably something in the forum rules about that. We get it. You don't like it. So move on. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vares.8457 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Bingus.4236 said: You left, they weren't happy about that and did this to annoy you. He didn’t even leave, he is straight out lying. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dezzie.5903 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Fueki.4753 said: In my case, it stopped me from logging into the game regularly. Same. I used to login every day—both for the daily reward and to see what PvE dailies were available. (I do not PvP or WvW.) Now I rarely login at all. Only Arenanet knows how the change has impacted overall player engagement. All I can is for myself it's severely curtailed my enjoyment of the game. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costepj.5120 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 If you were engaging with the game before WV then the change will have benefited you greatly - more and varied rewards for doing the same things as you always did. If you were only logging in to claim the daily login rewards then your leaving will have no effect on player engagement metrics. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, costepj.5120 said: If you were engaging with the game before WV then the change will have benefited you greatly And the people who are annoyed by both the red point in the top left corner, as well as having to use that disgusting mobile-esque UI, instead of being able to right-click a wiggling chest above the minimap, are impacted by this change as well, in a negative way. And only having five dailies, instead of 12 across all modes is a downside as well. There are clear negatives that came with this change that didn't have to be. It's not a rose-tinted "if you play this game, it's positive change for you". Edited November 12, 2023 by Fueki.4753 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trejgon.9367 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Personally I find it sad to find out that there are people out there, whom could spend half a year actively complaining about new expansion, including the claim of "soto made me quit again", and then decide to make threat pretending to just be coming back from a break and unaware of things they kept complaining about very actively for past half a year. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 The even more sad thing is it hurts genuine feedback and the hope for improvement by doing things like this 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Lucy.3728 said: The world has moved on without you and things still change. I had a break of 7 years. It was much, much more difficult to get back into the game and it took a lot of effort to reach a standard to keep up with the majority of the other players. If such a small change puts you off, then you don't really want to play. Adjust or let it. I could get you back into the game for 30g, if you made poor gear decisions before you quit (because the scholar/berserker meta never fell out of favour). Hell, I've jumpstarted new players with less given the availability of bargain bin exotic level 80 gear on the TP. You seriously overestimate the standard of player gear, many of whom probably still take their level 60 level up uw gear into t4 fractals lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: Coming back after a break from the game and for the past decade many things have stayed the same. By the looks of things a bunch of things that were not broken were fixed for no reason. You were here after the release and already complained about these. What's the purpose of pretending you're just now learning about these changes after the break? Just say you still dislike it, what's with this wierd made up story? 19 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: And what on Earth happened to runes What do you mean "what happened to runes"? You know what happened to runes, you were here to comment on it before and after the relic release. Again, what's with the "I totally just learned about it and it's all so new and surprising to me!" angle? 😄 19 hours ago, Gorem.8104 said: Where's Dailies at now? Chest of Loyalty? For the past decade you could quit and come back and nothing would be fomo but this feels like the devs have tried to force it into this game for no reason. Now you are forced to keep doing this new thing to keep up. How is this any more of a "fomo" than the previous daily system? Edited November 12, 2023 by Sobx.1758 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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