Vallun.2071 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. The only people who shouted "thief is garbage" were all..thieves, extremely biased individuals...everybody else already knew the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 First few seconds were enough for me, nerf vallun lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fumcheg.1936 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I'm pretty much sure that with these "small" nerfs (except thieves guild) condi thief will become unplayable again. If you remove burst from it, it will rely too much on landing CnD and SS (which is supposed to be nerfed as well) as the only source of sustained damage. And the next moment ppl learn how to kite, this build can be rendered as usleless like it was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Arheundel.6451 said:@"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. The only people who shouted "thief is garbage" were all..thieves, extremely biased individuals...everybody else already knew the truthBuddy, you kept crying about soulbeast, don't be a hypocrite. It's almost as if people crying about literally every single nerf to their class they mainly/only play isn't a class-specific trait, but a player-specific one. :open_mouth: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyra.7860 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 AND AGAIN this plat 1 hardstuck selfproclaimed "thief pro" making thread that defends broken spec. Who could have guess. Dont listen him, hes not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @"zyra.7860" said:AND AGAIN this plat 1 hardstuck selfproclaimed "thief pro" making thread that defends broken spec. Who could have guess. Dont listen him, hes not relevant.Last time he made a thread it was to dispell complaints about thief being useless. Which is the opposite of what he's doing now and what you apparently claim him to usually do ("defend broken spec").Stop lying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @"Sobx.1758" ignore him, he is a guy that makes posts like"remove all obstacles from pvp""power rev is weak like wet noodle""jungler is too strong"He is just a memer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdracula.6345 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I disagree with a cast time on Shadow Strike. You already have on on CnD. It will just make the weapon set clunky as hell compared to D/P, D/D, Staff, Shortbow. The other stuff is perfectly fine. EDIT: Anyways inb4 initiative cost increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICBEAR.1529 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Let me recap.22,5 minutes of fun at Golem party.Then 5 minutes of gunplay with noobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbreaker.6507 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @VICBEAR.1529 said:Let me recap.22,5 minutes of fun at Golem party.Then 5 minutes of gunplay with noobs.Content!Don't forget to hit that thumbs up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Starbreaker.6507 said:@VICBEAR.1529 said:Let me recap.22,5 minutes of fun at Golem party.Then 5 minutes of gunplay with noobs.Content!Don't forget to hit that thumbs up...to top it off it was also 5min of wvw not even pvp lolsubscribe and hit the bell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicast.1459 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 In the end if I understand well, it is not so strong.We just have to predict Spamable spells, dodge every second and cleansee every 3 second (not before else we die from confusion).Sounds fair, balanced and perfectly manageable.Thief is fine thanks again anet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdracula.6345 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Kicast.1459 said:In the end if I understand well, it is not so strong.We just have to predict Spamable spells, dodge every second and cleansee every 3 second (not before else we die from confusion).Sounds fair, balanced and perfectly manageable.Thief is fine thanks again anetI mean as Vallun pointed out. What the thief is going to do has pretty big tells other than Shadow Strike. If you see the thief stealth. You know it will be following that up with a sneak attack. So you have the following options.Dodge the attack because you can see the projectilesLOS if you are near terrainDepending on where thief is distance wise due to range of pistol you can probably just kite out the stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Arheundel.6451 said:@"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. The only people who shouted "thief is garbage" were all..thieves, extremely biased individuals...everybody else already knew the truthOr they were talking about power thief which is certainly not performing well, and not the condi thief noone had on their radar. Then again, you let your bias define all your actions, so I suppose asking for accuracy here from you was a moot point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @UNOwen.7132 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. The only people who shouted "thief is garbage" were all..thieves, extremely biased individuals...everybody else already knew the truthOr they were talking about power thief which is certainly not performing well, and not the condi thief noone had on their radar. Then again, you let your bias define all your actions, so I suppose asking for accuracy here from you was a moot point anyway.power thief is doing great, shadow portal is warping the meta right now and the only reason you dont see "nerf power thief" threads is because ranger and engi are keeping it from being an issue, once those are gone you will see that its more than fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Grimjack.8130 said:@UNOwen.7132 said:@Arheundel.6451 said:@"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. The only people who shouted "thief is garbage" were all..thieves, extremely biased individuals...everybody else already knew the truthOr they were talking about power thief which is certainly not performing well, and not the condi thief noone had on their radar. Then again, you let your bias define all your actions, so I suppose asking for accuracy here from you was a moot point anyway.power thief is doing great, shadow portal is warping the meta right now and the only reason you dont see "nerf power thief" threads is because ranger and engi are keeping it from being an issue, once those are gone you will see that its more than fineWell now that Prot Holo got knocked down a peg or three, sure. But that wasnt the case when people said thief wasnt doing so hot and thief players started swapping to Revenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vallun.2071 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 @Starbreaker.6507 said:@VICBEAR.1529 said:Let me recap.22,5 minutes of fun at Golem party.Then 5 minutes of gunplay with noobs.Content!Don't forget to hit that thumbs up...already made a full guide video on the build multiple times, but you can subscribe to be able to see those kinds of videos more easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poledra Val.1490 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Im sorry the "a bit to strong right now" got me laughing. Its horrendously broken in practically every respect, you only just have to look at the fact that almost every thief and his mother is running this build at the moment. Bottom line is this, this build carries sub par players and that is part of the nature of a broken build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quadox.7834 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 tell me 1 reason to run mesmer while condi thief exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 There is no reason to run mesmer even besides condi thief tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 So firebrand is ok, rev is ok, holo ok, core ranger and soulbeast ok, but condi thief is broken?Ps.: Power thief is trash btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffypaws.2860 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 @"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. Hey Vallun, i think you actually look like your profile pic on the forums :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 @"Vallun.2071" said:Remember when people said thief was unplayable a few weeks ago after the patch, and I had to come in and tell people thief was fine. Now when people are yelling that condi thief is too overpowered and brain dead, here I am to tell you that there are ways to counter play the build. Yes it is a bit strong right now, and I suggest that the duration of some of the condis be lowered, and the animation on shadow strike be increased. Ah yes, power thief builds(you know, actual thief builds)being weak are completely fine because a braindead overtuned condi burst build exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anjo.6143 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 @Quadox.7834 said:tell me 1 reason to run mesmer while condi thief existsSo you always change class to the broken one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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