BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I haven't seen a queue like this in years. Queue 4 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenesisII.1540 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) You don't play wvw regularly huh. The only thing unusual about that is more people have queued for ebg than the borderlands, which happens as a joke sometimes. That lasts about 2 hours after reset of the entire week. Edited June 19, 2021 by XenesisII.1540 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derlistigeuhu.1658 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 This is a really low queue. What is this? NA tier 5 or something? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sytriel.9413 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Then I guess I'm not part of "eVerY oNe" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous.7812 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 It's almost as if there's more to the week than no downstate as well, HMMM? The downed state has been disabled in WvW during this event! Additionally, earn double WXP, increased reward-track progress, and increased magic find! HMMM? 4 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanabal lecter.2495 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The que was 180 for ebg on reset lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Guess some folks hate it so much they can't wait to login and complain 😁 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeepBoopBop.5403 Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 hours ago, anonymous.7812 said: It's almost as if there's more to the week than no downstate as well, HMMM? The downed state has been disabled in WvW during this event! Additionally, earn double WXP, increased reward-track progress, and increased magic find! HMMM? If you really think those 'rewards' actually pull in players well that's just funny and your innocence is golden. 1 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownmug.8357 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, BeepBoopBop.5403 said: If you really think those 'rewards' actually pull in players well that's just funny and your innocence is golden. You underestimate the willpower of pve players doing something they hate if it means getting their legendaries faster. 6 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Fire.6870 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 15 hours ago, BeepBoopBop.5403 said: I haven't seen a queue like this in years. Queue Well not on my server more of the opposite here . In the past I hated this event I tried it again I still hate it. On top of all this this happens while here is a heatwave with 96 F my PC can't operate normal with this heat nor can I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue.4756 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Love no down. Down state should be removed permanently. If you get downed you don't deserve to get up. 4 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrForz.1953 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I don't like it too much, but I admit that no rallying off silly things is nice, and clean assassinations being a thing and all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Love it, should stay. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmoid.7082 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Psycoprophet.8107 said: Love it, should stay. But you know it won't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristingr.5034 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) The day no-downed state becomes permanent is the day I quit WvW. Forever. Edited June 19, 2021 by Bristingr.5034 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joneirikb.7506 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Enjoyed it running with guild today, no downed state is still fun. Sometimes I just died out of nowhere, other times, we managed to take down much larger groups that I know we likely wouldn't have been able to if they could rez the downed. I still don't think that downed state should be blanket removed, but adjusted and downgraded a good bit. Especially would like to see that players can't rez while in combat, to avoid the clutch rezzing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, BeepBoopBop.5403 said: If you really think those 'rewards' actually pull in players well that's just funny and your innocence is golden. Wow, I guess you missed the last Call to the Mists event mid May. We literally KNOW that this buff alone increases participation in WvW from past similar events. Here threads from back then which even made it to these forums, I'll spare you the reddit memes from that month, some of which were quite fun. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/95756-why-do-we-get-these-events/ a thread literally starting off complaining about the increase of players for the week. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/topic/95883-great-weekend/?tab=comments#comment-1369772 a thread complimenting the active weekend while the buff was active. I mean it's 1 thing to advocate for no downstate. Yet to demote others while pretending to know what drives players when being this out of touch, that is a whole new level. Oh and in case you missed this last event, yes, participation (and queues) was up across the board as well (as has always been when CotM was active) all without No Downstate being present. Between No Downstate and Call of the Mists, I can 100% guarantee that the later is drawing far more players to the mode for the set period of time. Edited June 20, 2021 by Cyninja.2954 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtoon.6907 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 It won’t change how much I play WVW. I don’t mind it. Really only seems to matter if the profession I am playing has a strong downstate and whether I am the one with the upper hand. In the end if I die before or after downstate isn’t that much of a deal. I do like incentive though to play WVW during the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) No downstate is always so much fun Fights feel much better My preference would be permanent no downstate. However a compromise could ofc be to halve ressing speed, remove the second downstate skill in WvW and overall lower downed hp as well as deleting ressing traits (primarily the guardian one) Any problems no downstate highlights are essentially design flaws of other things (such as busted ranged burst) that are exacerbated by it rather than caused by it Edited June 20, 2021 by lodjur.1284 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickleBrix.1549 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, lodjur.1284 said: Any problems no downstate highlights are essentially design flaws of other things (such as busted ranged burst) that are exacerbated by it rather than caused by it Any problems high ranged burst highlight are essentially design flaws of WvW, rather than problems with high ranged burst. Which goes for most of the stuff people whine about on this forum - stealth, high mobility, boon spam, projectile hate, etc they are all busted in WvW, because it a completely flawed and dysfunctional game mode. Same with downstate, if you have 3 v 3 then downstate favours the more skilled, experienced, organised players, those who make the best decisions at the time. It only becomes a problem when you are say 5 v 20 and the 20 can mostly just rez their team mates from downstate. But again that is down to the clown game mode WvW is, not downstate. Edited June 20, 2021 by StickleBrix.1549 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaid Zhem.6508 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Why do you need to write the opposing opinion as the meme thing to denigrate it ? Plus how can you be sure the queue, a saturday night in june, is due to the "nO dOWnsTAte 🥶" ? What about the others bonus like the WXP ? I HaVeN't SeEn QuEuE lIkE tHaT sInCe YeArS, iT Is bEcAuSe nO dOwNsTaTe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, StickleBrix.1549 said: Any problems high ranged burst highlight are essentially design flaws of WvW, rather than problems with high ranged burst. Which goes for most of the stuff people whine about on this forum - stealth, high mobility, boon spam, projectile hate, etc they are all busted in WvW, because it a completely flawed and dysfunctional game mode. Nope they're problems with high burst builds having no risk. WvW is the only gamemode that is about fighting enemy players. There's room for improvement though. 28 minutes ago, StickleBrix.1549 said: Same with downstate, if you have 3 v 3 then downstate favours the more skilled, experienced, organised players, those who make the best decisions at the time. Nope Downstate just adds another level of degenerancy and further pushes already problematic strategies. 28 minutes ago, StickleBrix.1549 said: It only becomes a problem when you are say 5 v 20 and the 20 can mostly just rez their team mates from downstate. But again that is down to the clown game mode WvW is, not downstate. The fact that 5v20 is at all possible is proof that WvW is the best gamemode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
displayname.8315 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) You can't appreciate the strategy of banners and targeted rez skills unless you have practice in the class/builds. Triggered domes, fields, stealths, auras, toughnesses, ect while hard rezzing. Winning a 5v20 honestly is a victory. Some kids only know how to gimmick build tho. Edited June 20, 2021 by displayname.8315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickleBrix.1549 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, lodjur.1284 said: Nope they're problems with high burst builds having no risk. They lack risk because WvW is a poorly designed, dysfunctional game mode that is also largely at odds with how the combat and classes were designed in this game. High ranged burst is much more balanced in PvP where there is lots of line-of-sight, where at some point you will need to fight on a capture point, etc. 42 minutes ago, lodjur.1284 said: WvW is the only gamemode that is about fighting enemy players. WvW is about clowning, PvE and roleplaying. As a PvP game it is a joke, which is why it and every game like it is so unsuccessful. It's a PvP game that mostly provides bad, low skilled PvP. 42 minutes ago, lodjur.1284 said: Nope No, not 'nope;'. Downstate favours more experienced, organised, skilled players and it increases the skill cap because it adds extra decision making, teamwork, buildcraft and so on. Which is why if we grab the 5 players who win this months AT and put them against 5 average WvW players, then those AT players will generally handle downstate better. 42 minutes ago, lodjur.1284 said: The fact that 5v20 is at all possible is proof that WvW is the best gamemode. No, its an example of why it is low skilled, uncompetitve trash. If the 5 are significantly better than the 20 they wouldn't face them in a decent, skilled PvP game, but really that is secondary, what is more common is the 5 are on builds that can engage then disengage and there is no trade off to that, because the game mode is a dysfunctional joke. Edited June 20, 2021 by StickleBrix.1549 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodjur.1284 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, StickleBrix.1549 said: They lack risk because WvW is a poorly designed, dysfunctional game mode that is also largely at odds with how the combat and classes were designed in this game. They are much more balanced in PvP where there is lots of line-of-sight, where at some point you will need to fight on a capture point, etc. Lol. Quote WvW is about clowning, PvE and roleplaying. As a PvP game it is a joke, which is why it and every game like it is so unsuccessful. No. Quote No, not 'nope;'. Downstate favours more experienced, organised, skilled players and it increases the skill cap because it adds extra decision making, teamwork, buildcraft and so on. No. It further adds to already existing issues. Quote Which is why if we grab the 5 players who win this months AT and put them against 5 average WvW players, then those AT players will generally handle downstate better. If we take the winners of mAT and pit them against 5 average WvW pugs downstate won't matter. Quote No, its an example of why it is low skilled, uncompetitve trash. If the 5 are significantly better than the 20 they wouldn't face them in a decent, skilled PvP game, but really that is secondary, what is more common is the 5 are on builds that can engage then disengage and there is no trade off to that, because the game mode is a poorly designed joke. Then they're not doing 5v20 they're doing repeated ganks. Also even numbered fights are just bad in this game. They're rarely if ever interesting fights. Mobility needs a nerf overall. Edited June 20, 2021 by lodjur.1284 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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