Aodlop.1907 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Those luminescent grubs truly adapt to every situation. They're on every continent. The grubs, the spiders, the moas...And then it's the same elemental models. The same dragon minions. Hell, even during this brand new story with the Void, all enemy models were just regular monsters we've already faced but with a void touch on them. It all feels very recycled. It's not exciting at all, exploring the new, long forgotten continent only to face the same monsters I've seen a thousand times already, alongside human characters with a different outfit. 20 1 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather.6401 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I wonder if a centaur skeleton could be used to rig a praying mantis model. Can then have giant mantis enemies. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNecrosanct.4028 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 So let's look at the real world here. Spiders are on every continent, except Antarctica. Flies actually are on every continent, including Antarctica. There are big cats in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Europe. There are canines on all continents, again except on Antarctica. Birds are on every continent as well. You can find bears everywhere, except Australia and Antarctica. I guess Mother Nature is recycling her models too. 😉 In other words, it's really not that strange. In fact, I think it helps give the entire world of Tyria the feel that it is the same world we're playing in and not some place where everything is different and nothing familiar from other parts of the world can be found. I mean, it's a great avenue for creatives to go all out on creating something completely different and new, but that's only likely if Tyria has no continental drift, meaning all continents have been separated forever. That's when you get unique flora and fauna on different continents. So similar looking creatures on all continents is quite normal. 8 2 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Where else can I find Kirin? Naga? Wallows? Phoenixes? Jade X? Kappa? Ambients, etc. 15 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aodlop.1907 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 55 minutes ago, TheNecrosanct.4028 said: So let's look at the real world here. No let's not. It's a fantasy world. I'd like different fictional beasts and monsters on every few maps. Even more so when continent, oceans and hundreds of years separate them. Of all MMOs I've played, I genuinely believe GW2 to have the lowest monster diversity of all. I've recently finished the EOD story, and the only new model I've seen has been the salt spray dragon and that's it. Everything else was just things I've seen before. WoW does a lot of thing wrong, especially for the past 6 years, but at least every zone has its own unique foes that we've never seen before. Even if obviously they'll add the usual bear and whatnot every now and then, there's still a good chunk of new models to discover. Just give us some goblins or something. 5 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent.6137 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, TheNecrosanct.4028 said: You can find bears everywhere, except Australia and Antarctica. Hah! I'm pretty sure there are bears in Australian zoos. They may not be native to the area but I'm sure they are living comfortable lives being pampered. Not to mention Koala bears ( just a technicality they're not real bears). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 That's covid quality for you. Rigging and animation work is expensive and time-consuming. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchslein.8639 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 hours ago, TheNecrosanct.4028 said: So let's look at the real world here. Spiders are on every continent, except Antarctica. Flies actually are on every continent, including Antarctica. There are big cats in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Europe. There are canines on all continents, again except on Antarctica. Birds are on every continent as well. You can find bears everywhere, except Australia and Antarctica. I guess Mother Nature is recycling her models too. 😉 In other words, it's really not that strange. In fact, I think it helps give the entire world of Tyria the feel that it is the same world we're playing in and not some place where everything is different and nothing familiar from other parts of the world can be found. I mean, it's a great avenue for creatives to go all out on creating something completely different and new, but that's only likely if Tyria has no continental drift, meaning all continents have been separated forever. That's when you get unique flora and fauna on different continents. So similar looking creatures on all continents is quite normal. Yeah, because there are only 1-2 spider species worldwide ... Changing existing models when entering a new continent should be the least you can do. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozumi.5816 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 New enemy models are a waste of resources and dev time. You can add mechanics to existing models, please do not ask developers to waste money and resources on eyecandy ;/. All that matters is the content amount, difficulty, and rewards. 2 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent.6137 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, Fuchslein.8639 said: Yeah, because there are only 1-2 spider species worldwide ... Changing existing models when entering a new continent should be the least you can do. There are new mobs like kirin, phoenix, wallow, etc. Not everything has to be totally different, although more will be better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaria.4891 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Recycled and reskinned models happens at every game from MMOs to RPGs. This is quite selective bias. If Arenanet truly lazy, they would reuse Ascalonian Ghost model for Unbound Spirit, but they don't. There are many mobs with new models as well. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuzuru.3651 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 You should start looking at the mobs first, maybe eod isn't the most diverse, but saying saltspay dragon is the only new model is a lie and show you didn't even looked at the mobs I mean, they even changed the model for the undead, they were not obliged to do so, but they did 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Didn't know all the Jade mech NPCs and enemies were just reused models. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowmoon.7986 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Silent.6137 said: There are new mobs like kirin, phoenix, wallow, etc. Not everything has to be totally different, although more will be better. Wallows are clearly reskined Arrowheads from HoM. They have the exact same rig and attack animation. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Champion_Arrowhead 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elricht Kaltwind.8796 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Hate to say it but I kinda agree, if I ever have to look at another repurposed Destroyer model .. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya.9075 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Reskinning is there for sure, but claiming not much is new shows you need to pay better attention. when you take your time exploring, you’ll find many beautiful places with so many new details. kirin is really good. I was bummed and surprised they didn’t add them as ranger pets. And ofc the saltspray dragons. Kuunavang is amazing. 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Aodlop.1907 said: The same dragon minions. Hell, even during this brand new story with the Void, all enemy models were just regular monsters we've already faced but with a void touch on them. That's the point of the Void stuff to begin with. It's a corrupted amalgamation of all the Dragon magics. Of course the minions it creates are corrupted versions of the ones of the dragons created. Edited April 21, 2022 by Fueki.4753 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etherage.1280 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I like how they brought the Aetherblades back, they felt kind of soulless and randomly added in back in LS1 but now they have a backstory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramex.1506 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Well... consider how the story go, some but not all dragon minions you met now concentrated in 1 map, where else would you find them together? May not be that different but they differ in group composition Also how did you miss Jade golems, Giant walking hippie tree and Nagas? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) I don't think this is a problem, as every game re-uses assets heavily. I only felt upset by the lack of Destroyer variety in IBS, and also the fact that Primordus doesn't have legs. Edited April 22, 2022 by Hannelore.8153 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rendalmj.3152 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I am very confused here because i do not see any problems with recycled monster minions. I mean every game does this. I really think people are just burn out from playing alot and they see they same models every map. Like for example world boss octovine its the same model everytime you do the meta no different model. Okay, name me one game mmo that have different monster models from different map. i think every game like this recycled monster model. For example i play wow and i see spider monster every map same model. I think Guild Wars 2 do pretty good job with minion monster model than wowcraft... wowcraft have same minion monster model everymap and expansion copy paste fiesta new expansion dragonblight trailer show that too alot copypaste. that is why i quit wow so many copypaste fiesta. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiri.1467 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Good thing OP never played GW1 then! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.5981 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 10:35 PM, Aodlop.1907 said: I've recently finished the EOD story, and the only new model I've seen has been the salt spray dragon and that's it. Everything else was just things I've seen before. I've seens some total bollocks posted on this forum, but this is really taking total bollocks and gold plating it. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valfar.3761 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 2:35 PM, Aodlop.1907 said: WoW does a lot of thing wrong, especially for the past 6 years, but at least every zone has its own unique foes that we've never seen before. Even if obviously they'll add the usual bear and whatnot every now and then, there's still a good chunk of new models to discover. Just give us some goblins or something. Playing FFXIV also made me appreciate WoW's new models even more. In the latest FFXIV expansion, you fight a new type of enemy called Blashemies, but except for that troll that ate that one guy in a cutscene, literally all of them were mobs you had fought before in the last two expansions. They couldn't even be bothered to recolor them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugrakarma.9416 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 23:59 - "Anet not announced new expasion yet 1 day after EoD launch! gw2 is dead". (Anet rushes a Expansion at light speed). 00:00 - These guys reutilized/reskinned stuff too much! Edited April 22, 2022 by ugrakarma.9416 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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