Superior Sigil of Nullification [Merged]

Gop.8713 · September 28, 2018

@Deihnyx.6318 said:
@Gop.8713 said:
@Deihnyx.6318 said:I don't exactly get what are people so mad about this time.Like, not just a little upset that they can't get their stuff quickly or that they missed out on opportunity to make money, but literally furious because something that's been happening for literally every important update (random demand/supply fluctuation due to added recipe) is now affecting them.
Did these people get the winter's presence the first year? or the nightfury? Not only did it cause high fluctuation in prices, but some stuff was timegated. You had to either farm non stop or spend (way) more than 300GB. For this... you could be leveling up non stop here and there's no timegate.So what happened? Are people no longer able to enjoy the game for the journey, rather than getting everything instantly?It's the inequity of opportunity, some players holding other players' chance to complete the content for ransom at a price they can set bc the inventory is so low it is in the hands of only a few ppl . . .

The other collections you mentioned were a bear to grind, but everyone had the same opportunity to grind or spend, as they saw fit. Idr if I got winter's presence first year, but I know I got it through opening presents bc I'm a jp fiend, yo :p Other ppl got it through the tp bc that was their choice. Here, no real choice exists, very few players have that many tomes just lying around and not everyone has a toon they can delete just to level a new one . . .

It's important to remember what makes this time different, so I'm glad you brought it up again :)

Also stop getting mad about TP mechanics, you'd have been fast as well you would have also bought more in hope to make a gain.This is a popular misconception among ppl who enjoy the economic aspect of the game. There are many, many players who do not care in the least about flipping product on the tp. I'd be tempted to say the vast majority but I don't have actual numbers. It's what makes tp flipping so profitable -- most ppl don't use the tp to make money, they use it to get rid of things they don't want and buy things they do. It's a gw2 adage: "What's the best way to farm x? Farm gold and buy it on tp." That's what makes those tp margins so fat, most players don't give a flip (nyuk, nyuk) about spending their time to get max profit out of every trade . . .

What happened here is that normal and healthy part of the economy was subverted by a staggering error when designing this collection . . .

Vote with your valletI sent my valet to vote for me, but they told him he needed a photo id :p

I'm sorry, I don't think you're explaining how this time is different. Every major update that adds recipes adds fluctuation to TP prices. The first people to understand how and why make profit of it. If this time is any different, it's because this time, everyone wants this skin. But I fail to see how that's philosophically different from any other time.And okay, maybe winter/nightfury were bad examples. Although I -try- to quickly forget everytime I get screwed by the TP :) I know it happened more than once. Was it during the chinese new year that an item price exploded because of Drooburt ? Wasn't there something with memory of battle too?

It seems that the only problem that people have isn't much that it costs a lot, but rather than some people initially got it cheaper... I mean... isn't that how the market works IRL too? It'd only be a problem if they were told -before- the update that they could capitalize on a specific item (IRL it would be illegal as it would be selling/buying based on information not yet public). But that's not the case here. Everyone gets the same chance to play the TP game: When the content releases. And no, "having work" during release cannot count, you'll never find a proper time for release that fits with every player's schedule.

As for the economy of the game, I don't think it's in any way healthy - because - we always run out of things to craft. Mats that are supposed to be of value are now very cheap, there is no "mid tier loot" since the items from the treasure hunter collection. It's either super common/cheap, or just for lotto winners (infusions/invisible boots).And this... is another attempt at patching the economy. Very awkward and short term I'll agree, but in now way different than any other attempt they've made, except maybe this time they aren't adding yet another mat that does exactly the same thing as other already existing mats.

It's different bc the limited inventory on the tp allowed the first few ppl who were interested in doing so to buy it off and prevent other players from progressing the collection. The only example that compares to this is the Drooburt's dumplings, and I'd be very surprised if we don't see a sudden increase in the rate those drop next time LNY comes around. The difference there is that item didn't really do anything, just got you some ap that the vast majority of players have ample opportunity to get elsewhere, so no harm no foul if they have to wait on Drooburt's . . .

I think another reason ppl who like to play the tp struggle with the kind of reaction we're seeing here is they think of the game's economy -- which for many of them, is the entire game -- as a model of a rl economy. But they aren't the same thing just bc they work the same way. Goals are very different. IRL there is only so much to go around, so saying early bird gets the worm is fine bc it incentivizes work and attentiveness to opportunity, which are considered desirable traits which ultimately benefit everyone blah blah blah. But in a game, you actually want all of the players to have access to the content, and that's okay bc the content is not a limited resource. There is not a finite number of times that the collection can be unlocked. Being at work in the real world actually is a valid reason for not being able to play your video game on patch day and I don't think anet wants to go on record discouraging that behavior lol. They could have set the collection up that way, first 2500 ppl who log in on patch day get access to a unique set of armor skins, but they didn't. Try to think about why they choose not to set access to their content up that way . . .

And I wasn't saying the game's economy is healthy -- I don't know, don't care to find out, wouldn't have an opinion if I did -- I was saying that ppl flipping the tp is a healthy part of that economy. I've never run out of things to craft though, always more to do . . .

Dante.1763 · September 28, 2018

@Merc The Forgotten.5610 said:
@Swagger.1459 said:
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@Merc The Forgotten.5610 said:Anet now is the time to rethink the mount license system.Now that Belgium can't gamble anymore which is a good thing.This is now the moment to redo it in a way that also players from Belgium can still buy mounts unless you want to leave us out?Lets be honest 1200gems for a recycle skin is not gonna happen.And no way people are gonna buy all the skins for 21,600gems or so.There are plenty of ways to do it in a way Belgian players can still buy it. For example make a license ticket that just unlock all the mounts.I'm sure players from other countries will be happy to see that coming.

You are wrong about people buying all the skins, thats for sure.

Much ppl buy all the skins as a Belgian player you pay 1200gems for each skin thats way too much.Also the 1200gems for a recycle skin is way too much.The system needs to be rethinked or they gonna leave us out? Or they are gonna milk us even harder now because we finally got the RNG on gemstore items to go away in a way as punishment?

Nobody at Arenanet is trying to “milk” their customers. Skins are optional items that do not provide and advantage in the game.

I hate this attitude from anyone who complains about optional items made by game developers who don’t charge you a monthly fee to play the game, and who also happen to give out a ton of free content updates.

At such prices it does feel like milking. There just need to be a solution but not the one that there is now. RNG system is suppose to die off anyway and every company that uses it has to prepare or they gonna shut off whole europe and if you want it you need to pay a extreem high price while there are other solutions?

No, if Anet were milking they would be changing a monthly fee to play and having mounts on the store that have advantages over other mounts found in-game... You’ve been given a free path by exchanging gold to gems so use it.

Monthly fee would have scared away most of the playerbase. Specially those that made Anet grow. Then they probly had way less players to start with also and couldn't grow since it was a very big amount of players that came from gw1.It seems you also forgot that kids play the game also and in Europe kids are not allowed to gamble. Then they should have changed the age range of the game. But that would have limit the places they could sell the game which would . It is also clear for a while now that the rule Belgium has made would hit them also and it will spread over europe also. With the trade money to gems you would not even be able to buy with these prices and how high gems are going now.

Then the kids can farm gold and exchange for gems and get mount skins for FREE.

No matter how you spin it this system does not belong in a game. Games now are all about lootboxes aiming to milk us dry instead of proper content. Even in gw2 the focus is more on gemstore then content. Sure we get "free content" But it's also a way to keep us logging in. If you did not login it was not free content for you and you need to pay gems. So not exactly free content. Now it just become normal because we see it all the time and it is specially targetted towards childeren. Anyway we will see how this develops and it will show how much Anet really cares about the players and not just see us as dollar signs and if it really need this gambling in a game to stay alive it would have died anyway as soon more countries will implent the rule which is gonna happen anyway.This is a discussion that can go on forever and will have 2 sides anyway.If they dont proof they have a healthy solution then i just dont buy things anymore and like i said i doubt others will with such high prices.

If we didnt have the gemstore at all theyd have a subscription per month. This game takes alot of money to keep running and they arent making that money from new purchases anymore(that usually only happens with Expansions.) So yes the gemstore gets updates, and they ARENT MADE BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MAKE CONTENT, which is absolutely free to the players they value the most, the ones who login consistently. What the hell is an artist going to do when they finish the artwork for the next Living Story episode, sit around and get paid? Obviously no, Anet is smart enough to have them work on things that generate them income. Children normally cannot and do not have a credit card/debit card allowing them to purchase things, and using that argument is idiotic as its up to the parents to monitor what their children do, i had to BEG for my parents to purchase me an item in another MMO and i only got it because i played it all the time. If parents allow their children to run rampant with their devices and not monitor them, that is 100% on the parent as there is nothing video game companys can do to figure out who is paying for things.

kharmin.7683 · September 28, 2018

@Merc The Forgotten.5610 said:This is a discussion that can go on forever and will have 2 sides anyway.It already has. Check the forums search for those. Probably should've done that instead of opening a new thread for an old topic.

Swagger.1459 · September 28, 2018