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Lenti.3189Lenti.3189 Member
edited December 20, 2020 in WvW

ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible
by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing
i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk
i was expecting to see players on the map to know where the action is, but no, i have no idea where everybody is, people dont talk, and NO ONE is ever answering anything
i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later
i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible, i would never recommend this to anyone unless i want them to quit the game

how can people even enjoy this?

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  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭

    I enjoy the game mode but yeah I get the frustration, often there's not enough people playing to fill all maps so depending on the map your on it can seem pretty dead.
    Hopping between locations wouldn't be exactly fair since it'd benefit big groups even more. I'd suggest trying to get Warclaw, It makes traversing the maps a lot better.
    As for camps, they're out in the open so they are made to flip often It's towers and keeps you need to worry about unless the camp is tiered up and the towers/keep nearby need supply.

    There's potential in the game mode to be amazing but I agree with most of what you said as being some of the problems that sadly don't/wont get addressed.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like you're on a losing world. Yeah, that can be rough if you're trying to get GoB, because very few commanders like playing a losing game for someone elses benefit.

  • Jilora.9524Jilora.9524 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well first you need a basic understanding of it so you know what to do and how to find action on your own if no tag around. Saying things like we take a camp and seconds later the other team takes the camp is impossible because there's a 5 m CD. If your playtime is when your particular server is not active you can have issues finding a commander. Scroll down to Why gift of battle and at the beginning there are plenty of tips for you to avoid this "nightmare" in the future. You could of worked on warclaw so you didn't have to walk but yeah I don't see you going back

    WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.

  • Sorry for your horrible experience.
    Maybe mentioning which server you play on might help giving a more specific answer as to what went wrong in your case.

    In general, most servers will use voice com (either teamspeak or discord) for the biggest part of their communication. Additional to that, some people will call enemy movement in either map chat (only visible on the map that you're currently on) or team chat (visible over all borderlands + ebg + obsi + edge of the mists) but especially if a squad is running around, it's better to call important things on voice as you can add information if needed and react faster. Some commanders will make use of invisible tags and only invite people who are on voice, so maybe there are squads running around that you just aren't aware of.
    A lot of servers also have community guilds that you can just join without having to do anything in return, which might also be useful for communication and seeing how many people are online/ playing WvW at the moment.

    A major factor that affects your WvW experience can be the time that you choose to play this game mode. While linked servers and a lot of people spending more time at home due to the pandemic have resulted in a lot of servers being active throughout most of the day, the major action will still be going on during "prime time" which can differ according to whichever server you are on (e.g. for most german servers prime time will start in the evening but one hour earlier than international servers and spanish might "wake up" even another hour later). Usually, evenings are better if you are looking for large scale zerg fights, whereas you might have a hard time finding a decent squad between noon and early evening. So another reason you aren't seeing any tags might be because you simply are playing at the wrong time.

    If all you're looking for is completing the reward track as fast as possible, your best bet will be to join a tag and stay close. Additionally to that you might want to complete as many WvW dailies as possible and use the potions that you get out of them. Once you have completed the reward track, maybe drop back into WvW once in a while and stock up some of those daily potions and keep them for later uses ;-)

    I personally love playing WvW, not because of the game mode itself (it has become rather stale after all those years), but because of the community. So I really hope you will give it another chance and find people that you enjoy playing with - even if it's only for the occasional visit.

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later

    Every objective is buffed for 5 minutes after being taken (lord/supervisor becomes invulnerable and the objective can't be captured meanwhile) so you might be exaggerating a bit ;)

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2020

    @Dawdler.8521 said:
    Well, you have over 1500 hours of PvE.

    Was that great the first couple of hours? Where you able to jump from map to map and find some dragon boss killing action? Was people tagged up for level 80 metas in the starter zones? Did you know where every heart, waypoint and event was or did you have to run and find them? Did you know how to build your character for open world performance?

    Come back when you have over 1500 hours in WvW and we can discuss the more detailed experience.

    I mean, in my first 10 hours of PvE, I was exploring the shiverpeaks mining for silver. Was I playing the game wrong? yes, but at least I was having fun.

    In WvW, most players first 10 hours probably consist of getting run over by zergs, encountering cheese pvp builds, general confusion of where the commander is doing, PvD, and dying to tier 1 camps. It creates a situation so toxic that players often feel they don't want to come back.

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2020

    I agree with the OP

    It pains me to see posts like this...when the WvW game mode could be the most lucrative cash cow for ANet & actually within the entire game industry...imho

    Told you so...
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/1311428/#Comment_1311428

    Our window of opportunity to make it into a lucrative cash cow, however, is sluggishly & excruciatingly closing with each passing year...that we don't have a well thought out Road Map for the future of this game mode.

    Example Road Map:
    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89449/wvg-world-vs-globes/p1

    Credibility requires critical insight & time.

    Yours truly,
    Diku

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yeah the game mode is pretty bad mostly because of player attitude/mentality. You have to be ignorant to enjoy it and if not ignorant you have to learn how to make your fun. Since you don't seem willing to put too much effort into creating the fun my advice would be to just turn off the "I'm the commander" mentality from LS and go crazy and have fun. You can literally do anything and go anywhere in wvw. Play the map like you own it.

    Anet buff me :-(
    Make me good at game!

  • Mini Crinny.6190Mini Crinny.6190 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2020

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    how can people even enjoy this?

    Its the same thing as asking WvW players how to enjoy PvE

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2020

    When I tried WvW first at launch, I was kind of the same opinion, albeit for slightly different reasons. I think the difference is that WvW is a much steeper learning and understanding curve, which in a way makes sense as it is end game content.

    I don't WvW as often now, but I don't harbour the same issues against it. I mostly enjoy the odd foray into the mode, although I pretty much still suck at it. Several rounds of GoB reward tracks have helped me better understand the mode along with following groups and guilds in how they play it

    Pve in comparison is a lot more straightforward and open world a lot less skill based and taxing. WvW is a lot more reliant on being a part of guilds and communities and trying to play solo when inexperienced is going to be a poorer experience

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  • Sarpan.9074Sarpan.9074 Member ✭✭✭

    I sympathize with OP. I've been playing GW2 since pre-launch with a few breaks here and there. I just started WvW in the last week or so, mainly to get the Warclaw. That empty slot in my mounts panel finally got to me.

    Where I differ is that I enjoy WvW when I can link up with either a small group or a zerg. Soloing is just no fun. The problem is finding others as a new player with a lot to learn. I started a thread on it and got a lot of good info and this thread also has been helpful. For instance, I could not figure out why some NPCs were invulnerable. Now I know.

    Randulf is right on, along with others. WvW has a seep learning curve and it's going to be frustrating for new players. However, as I've played more (I'm at a whopping level 11!) I learn more and it gets less frustrating.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 20, 2020

    I actually leveled to 80 in WvW years ago when it was much more active. First thing is don't be afraid to let your character die unlike in PVE.
    Secondly if you're already level 80 you probably want to get exotic armor at the least and ascended weapon + trinkets with vitality on them (Marauder) and run a proper competitive build.
    If you're in an offhours time zone you probably want to coordinate with your server and join a commander or work the map as the commander is hitting something as it will be pretty imbalanced otherwise. If there's no commanders at all you might be on a "dead" server.

    P.S. with warclaw and waypoints no "walking" is required

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Simple by playing meta classes and meta builds OR by not caring.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Diku.2546Diku.2546 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 21, 2020

    @Jski.6180 said:
    Simple by playing meta classes and meta builds OR by not caring.

    Not caring is the easiest option...

    I'd recommend that you take your time & mix it all up. Remember don't go straight to 7.

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    Diku

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  • What I like to do is have a WvW salesman. It's a toon that I designate my salesman of the day. I have them run around tagging camps and trebuchet-ing walls until they get maximum participation. Then, I get all of the loot I've gathered from doing PVE dailies that day, and just run around in circles selling stuff while also taking camps.

    See, you get WvWexp for doing stuff, but you get the chests and the reward track experience just by sitting in WvW and not losing participation. So long as you contribute minimally, you still get rewards. Once you have a dedicated salesman toon, you can use your birthday boosters and celebration boosters to increase the rate of reward track gain on that toon. The participation on that toon doesn't decrease if you change characters or log off, so you can keep that toon in reserve while you do other stuff.

    It takes a surprising amount of time to sell an entire inventory of loot, or to work the TP for capital gains. You can do all of that while getting reward track experience, so long as you occasionally take a camp, kill mercenaries, or even catapult an unoccupied tower. I've gotten multiple gifts of battle by doing this.

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  • Jay.5128Jay.5128 Member ✭✭
    edited December 21, 2020

    I don't know I find it a load of fun but am in mostly PPK Guild. and when I am in not Raiding with them am going all out solo roaming or in my small roaming Squads.
    Its not the most welcoming game mode definitely a steep learning curve and I think got more steep over time with the adding of skill points and warclaw in the department keeping up with other people. and if your on a low pop sever and a losing world your pretty much done for in way content.
    But you can get a lot done if your 3 plus man group but having Friend's with you I kind of lucky in that department as I got all my friend's to join me we all have a blast on it its our game for past 8 years.
    Only thing I recommend doing if you know your going need more gifts of battles is change sever look at https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw and pick a more active sever. but first 10 hours are Quite painfull I had the chance to learn the game mode day one where we all just working stuff out.
    You also need to take into account active hours some severs have little coverage at night to in the day or the other way around this changes the dynamics of the match up a lot and you see this Quite a lot in EU.

    There's defo some good advice out there people willing to help. also don't treat Drizzle pve map like Wvw its nothing like it only thing that's same is the siege.

    Some useful links
    handy for learning the call out and what tags mean:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_versus_World
    Handy for knowing placements and more active severs.
    https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw
    WVW builds leaderboards matchups GVG Guides
    https://gw2mists.com/

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The only unfun part about WvW is being in a supposed "Army vs Army" game mode but finding out yu are a single player vs an Army due to bad time zone.

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    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • BIMBLE.7952BIMBLE.7952 Member ✭✭
    edited December 21, 2020

    WvW is awesome, imo. If you go on at that right time; on the right server (no idea what country you are in, either); can also utilise Discord chat (should you wish).

    I get you may have had a rather underwhelming experience but, it just is not like that for very many.

    Go in. Learn the ropes.

    How is your server doing in the Mists? Are they getting beasted? It may mean you are simply playing on a mainly-PvE-centric server so, few WvW players and even fewer Commanders...

  • Mikhael.2391Mikhael.2391 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

    but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible
    by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing
    i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk
    i was expecting to see players on the map to know where the action is, but no, i have no idea where everybody is, people dont talk, and NO ONE is ever answering anything
    i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later
    i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

    i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible, i would never recommend this to anyone unless i want them to quit the game

    how can people even enjoy this?

    like this

    https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/120690/all-i-want-for-xmas-is-to-pull-you-of-a-cliff-vid-wvw-fun-times#latest

  • @Lenti.3189 said:
    ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

    but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible
    by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing
    i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk
    i was expecting to see players on the map to know where the action is, but no, i have no idea where everybody is, people dont talk, and NO ONE is ever answering anything
    i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later
    i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

    i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible, i would never recommend this to anyone unless i want them to quit the game

    how can people even enjoy this?

    i started gw2 in march 2013. like you, after some extensive PvE i tried WvW.
    back the it was a blast. commanders everywhere, big fights everywhere. massive siege. dozen of 1v1 groups forming on some corner of the map, guild wars over the control of the WvW jumping puzzle (obsidian sanctuary.), no warclaw, no glider (tho i like the glider for WvW!!!) and the game balance was more simple.
    chat was always animated by guild recruiting and players insulting each other. it was easy to find a little group to follow as there was alot of enemy groups and not just one mono blob.
    there was even players who's goal was only to scout, escort dolyak and maintain siege weapons for defence.
    afterwards we had the lovely obsidian sanctuary arena attracting alot of duelist and EOTM, a superb narrow map in the sky with tons of XP trains and wall of fear necro :smile:

    now years after and some few updates you get ghost chat, mono blob just capturing stuff, no roaming, no duelist, ghost obsidian sanctuary, ghost EOTM, new desert map simulating a real desert, warclaws running everywhere, alot less fighting guilds and alot more PvE players forgeting that WvW is a PvP map.
    this happened because players got bored of playing the same thing over and over without any incentive to win. WvW never got the rework it needed to keep it fresh and after each updates blob play become stronger and stronger.

    WvW is now in the "missed opportunity" box right next to sPvP, dungeons and GvG.

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 24, 2020

    ooh guys the drizzle wood pve players are coming free loot everywhere :D

    dunno what server ur on but pretty much every server on EU has fights going on during prime times, NA i dont know but from what i seen from streams its not half as active as EU

  • Kirnale.5914Kirnale.5914 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

    but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible
    by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing
    i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk
    i was expecting to see players on the map to know where the action is, but no, i have no idea where everybody is, people dont talk, and NO ONE is ever answering anything
    i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later
    i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

    i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible, i would never recommend this to anyone unless i want them to quit the game

    how can people even enjoy this?

    1. You played during wrong play hours for your server - every server has a prime time where the most action is, and typically, you would see one to multiple commanders during these times, at least in EU. Join you server's discord/ts you will find a tag there much easier. Ask in map chat about these datas. Don't worry you don't need to talk.
    2. You didn't join a zerg. Any wvw beginner should start the game with a zerg. Zergs were always the main attraction to WvW, everything thing else is for more specific people.
    3. You didn't bother asking where to find commanders. You can ask these questions in any large pve city too if WvW is dead during your play time. Who know you might even get a guild invite, then things will get a lot easier. If you are on a dead server or serverlink, then you need to transfer to a more active one. The higher the tier of your server is, the more active it is. Check what server you are on.
    4. flipping camps is less about having fights like in spvp, but more about getting supplies to siege objectives. The larger the objectives, and the higher the tier of an objectives is, the more players will come to defend it . Players are limited per map to something around 60-65 players. So you can't expect to see enemies everywhere, therefore, people prioritize certain objectives. This is especially true during off time where there is a lack of players to defend objectives.

    Not blaming you though, this mode is not very beginner friendly. But it never hurts to ask around for more information. I recommend watching some videos from commanders, like bezainaz in twitch (not intended ad), then you might understand why people play it.

  • Raffrey.5271Raffrey.5271 Member ✭✭
    edited December 24, 2020

    WvW is considered one of the endgame contents. Difficulty wise it is close to T4 fractals or raids, may be harder or easier depend on the skill of your allies and your foes. Of course it would suck if you hop straight into something like T4 fractals or raids not knowing the mechanics or your build not optimized accordingly.

    I suggest you to start in EBG and do the WvW dailies to save some reward track potions, so that next time you need to grind another Gift of Battle, save your time by just consuming all the potions to complete it.(it takes 80 potions to fully fill an empty bar)

    Also, it's not likely that your team side EBG objectives are being captured by the other teams and remain that way 24/7, so you can escort the dolyaks running from camps to the keep to slowly grind your participation level to tier 6. Once you're in tier 6, use some experience boosters to increase your reward track gain to speed it up. Always find things to do to keep your reward track ticking in tier 6. Get in guild hall and get that guild buff. Get an ascended amulet and insert a WvW reward track enrichment, buy that enrichment from WvW laurel merchant. See some tag up when you're escorting some dolyak? Follow the tag. If you're so lucky that it happen to be a good commander, you will learn a lot. Join the tag, hop in their voice comms, try to be part of something bigger. I suggest you go with support builds as they are usually much better in sustain. In WvW, you want to be the last one standing.

    But there's one thing, if your team side EBG objectives are captured by other teams 24/7, it's best you move to the other servers.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

    but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible
    by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing
    i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk
    i was expecting to see players on the map to know where the action is, but no, i have no idea where everybody is, people dont talk, and NO ONE is ever answering anything
    i was expecting to fight some players for camps and so on, but no, we form a group, we capture a camp while the other team is waiting close by and they retake it seconds later
    i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

    i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible, i would never recommend this to anyone unless i want them to quit the game

    how can people even enjoy this?

    later u can get one of the useless gifts of battle per every 2-3 hours thaha. people expect u to inform yourself first before entering i guess. read for example gw2mists.com

    commanders aka Tags are up now and then, announced on discord usually. sometimes announce it one time in team chat. without channel tags active you'll not get whats going on at all anyways.

    if just... most don't walk but use the warclaw. if walk, use speedy skills. every class has some. without swiftness/mobility skills, it's sneezing ofc.

    not everyone wants to fight. groups are known to gank each other at camps, some maybe just wait bc they fear u have 3 thieves camping nearby, waiting for a cheap gank.

    people who play only for points are called "ppt'ers" and will in most cases avoid fights, unless they are at least 3:1 more than you.

    overall u just need a bit of experience. we cannot know where u play. might be a dead server, a recently abandoned one, or just a bad timezone for your server.

    ah, and don't compare it with drizzlewood. drizzle gets u randomly flooded with loot for a rather small need of action for that, weak foes compared to Wvw (if u fight in a zerg VS zerg at least), a linear objective taking compared to Wvw, no need of much real structure.

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    how can people even enjoy this?

    Its the same thing as asking WvW players how to enjoy PvE

    also: this. i play almost every day for some hours, and i 99% play Wvw.

    for me it's large scale fights. i like to collect bags and upgraded my chars' gear to maxed out ascended exclusively by Wvw.

    the thing is, most new people get barely a chance to experience Wvw really. the distribution of players and guilds is so horrifically bad... new players likely at best get farmed by some 5 man glasscannons before they can even reach their maptags.

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:
    not everyone wants to fight. groups are known to gank each other at camps, some maybe just wait bc they fear u have 3 thieves camping nearby, waiting for a cheap gank.

    people who play only for points are called "ppt'ers" and will in most cases avoid fights, unless they are at least 3:1 more than you.

    First you explain a little of the nuance why people wont always engage when they know they're about to be outnumbered 1v3 and then you follow it up by drawing a wide brush over everyone that doesnt engage as being PPTers that need 3v1.

    Not seeing the irony I guess.

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  • ArchonWing.9480ArchonWing.9480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 25, 2020

    The reason question is why do people torture themselves making legendaries? How is that fun for a skin that isn't even always better than the ones on the gem store?

    We play WvW because it's more or less open world with occasional player vs player conflict, and each player that comes in can fill in a niche that they decide on their own. If they decide to contribute (I suppose that's a big if) No other area of the game is like that. In PvE, there's about 5 viable stats (berserker, viper, diviner, harrier, and maybe minstrel), and for 90% of content, it's really just 1 stat... berserker. The rest are useless, but here many more stat combos have a lot of use.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dawdler.8521 cannot help u to understand what i wrote i guess. that was just to explain the new player posting why some people avoid fights always if possible. it's not connected to any group size, that's just ppt trading basically or stoic pacificsm.

    also with groups i mean everything smallscale so up to 10 players basically.

    there was absolutely no irony in that post, you're just seeing things. 6 ppl gank 2 pp 10 gank 4 etc etc ... sth around this is mostly happening. i killed today accidently 4 apparently new players on their thieves and mesmers, who just walked into my scrouge wellbomb... that was a gank that failed big time for example. but that wasn't even a real fight for me, despite beeing in a 5v1.

    shows how absurdly crazy the difference can be at times. at a smiliar skill level, u have not much chance with a scrouge in anything over 1v1 (since the zergset is made to wipe big playercounts, not doing spvp)

    i also never duel. i do 1v1 rather than running, if running has likely no chance to succeed. but why would i 1v1 some guy on his obvious gankerbuild? and vice versa, why would i run kinda gankerbuild myself, when i mostly have to fight overnumbers. the rough 3v1 is just the standard size on which battlewise weaker groups tend to attack stronger servers, and below u won't see much offensemode from them. most servers have single guilds that overperform the server standard, many have barely any tho.

    @ArchonWing.9480 yeah, good question lol. especially since ascended has the same stats; and at least i do not swap my builds that often (and even if i change build, often not weapon since many are kinda "staple" for that character)

    further, there's a ton of good looking skins by now. the black lion claim ticket weapons for example also provide u shiny skins for your ascended gear.

    and yeah, i think we mainly play Wvw bc it's just fun and dynamic. no play day is ever really the same. surely, it's annoying when ur realizing that many people just run random things or just slack or do other newbie mistakes, but till u realize that yourself, you've probably done that kinda stuff a billion times as well.

    when i learnt groupplay, it was as if i discovered the mode itself again in a new and deeper way. a way u cannot understand possibly as new player, and even not as pug/roamer/smallscale player. some people played years without getting it really i feel.
    (the problem is: with most insight into the good things and chances, u also realize twice as big what's broken, outdated, limiting, buggy and how small work gets put into fixing these issues)

  • Yeah.. The gamemode is depression it as dead as it can be. I can play a whole Day and only see like 10 People..

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle

    That's kind of the normal amount of time to get through a reward track though if you don't have a stack of potions from dailies or boosters.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    ive been playing GW2 since may this year, and so far i have over 1500 hours of pve and some pvp

    OK, how I see you a beginner. So may be at firt you nee more play? try other game modes, get some experience?

    but recently ive been forced to play wvw for gift of battle, and to my surprise, its horrible

    horrible can be if you need 250 gifts of battle for one item. one gift - just do one two dayles per day, and forget about wvw if you not like it.

    by far my worst experience in GW2, and aside from the massive chaos that you get as a new wvw player, the mode is just depressing

    some popel like chaos. It is individual state.

    i was expecting to be able to jump from camp to camp to get some action, like in drizzle, but no, you have to walk

    you expectation was wrong. it is ok.

    i was expecting to see some commanders, but no, it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle and ive only seen a commander ONCE

    most all good commanders use hidden tag. You in wvw guild ? no ? so yes, you expectation was wrong again.

    i know wvw is not for everyone and especially for me, but my god its horrible,

    as any pvp mode is should be horrible for beginners. it is ok.

    how can people even enjoy this?

    at first - don't make some expectation before join. After some time, half year, 5 years, or week, if you like it - find wvw giuld.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle

    That's kind of the normal amount of time to get through a reward track though if you don't have a stack of potions from dailies or boosters.

    acutally no. with higher rank and using boosters, aand on a fighting oriented server it goes way faster. in good matchups u can get 2 tracks done per day quite fine, these are sadly rare lately i gotta admit. Wvw needs more fighting guilds in the end.

    like, if i only non-group pug for only some hours a day in a pretty bad matchup (= not much even ground groupfight content) it still takes only 3 days for a track as a gold rank (and without boosters, since they're wasted outside of group play)

  • Not anymore, the biggest blob wins

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    that's not how it works, but you need a core of meta players that don't slack. which is where the problem starts. blobs aren't hard to wipe, but they become hard to wipe if u only get rangers, thieves and any class that is wrong speced, equiped, skilled and played.

    u realize ignoring the meta and rather playing random stuff or spvp sets is seen as "more fun" by far too many players, that is why numbers count more. ofc, if everyone play nuts glass cannons, yes then numbers count 1:1.

    for example, my servers population is also very casual by now, we still have the core of players that is able to wipe groups of +20 ppl regularly. been able to use all the tricks a good meta squads has access to, you can wipe even 50 players with 20-25, or more if they spread out too much.

    if number win, it's your group compositions fault, or the others just have some elite players within their ranks. fast reactions and a good commander can do much to win battles.

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kamikharzeeh.8016 said:

    @Chaba.5410 said:

    @Lenti.3189 said:
    it took me a long and painful 1 week to get that gift of battle

    That's kind of the normal amount of time to get through a reward track though if you don't have a stack of potions from dailies or boosters.

    acutally no. with higher rank and using boosters, aand on a fighting oriented server it goes way faster. in good matchups u can get 2 tracks done per day quite fine, these are sadly rare lately i gotta admit. Wvw needs more fighting guilds in the end.

    like, if i only non-group pug for only some hours a day in a pretty bad matchup (= not much even ground groupfight content) it still takes only 3 days for a track as a gold rank (and without boosters, since they're wasted outside of group play)

    The OP doesn't have higher rank (he told us he's new) and it would be silly of me to assume he's spending all his time in WvW during a day and knows how to speed the process up.

  • kamikharzeeh.8016kamikharzeeh.8016 Member ✭✭✭✭

    you get the first some rankups really fast, if u play actively in big groups that is. like with 1700 ur yet gold rank.

  • I only WvW in EBG and I really only go there to kill people. I don't really care who owns what, as long as there are other players to fight. So in that regard, I treat it more like a deathmatch where the primary objective is to kill the other players. It's what I prefer to do in these mmo's. I also like the way that once I get into EBG, I don't have to sit in a queue again for the rest of time I'm playing. I actually haven't even stepped foot in arena PvP in over 3 years due to the queues and the lack of a deathmatch option.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    why some people think that that gamemode for everyone?