@Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
I really do understand that some people want to play with practical armour - and that is totally okay. You are allowed to want that, and you should be allowed to have that.
But GW2 already has options for people to do that if they want.
No, it doesn't. The "not totally skimpy" female armor sets and outfits are extremely limited, and even those sport high heels and/or naked hips/ribs/back/shoulders/thighs or enhance your boobs' size. Not cool.
Oh no! Is this true? We should do something about this 😠
@Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
I really do understand that some people want to play with practical armour - and that is totally okay. You are allowed to want that, and you should be allowed to have that.
But GW2 already has options for people to do that if they want.
No, it doesn't. The "not totally skimpy" female armor sets and outfits are extremely limited, and even those sport high heels and/or naked hips/ribs/back/shoulders/thighs or enhance your boobs' size. Not cool.
There are a lot more conservative outfits and armors then there are skimpy one's... Ever consider that if this game triggers you so much , that it may be isn't for you ?
@Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
I really do understand that some people want to play with practical armour - and that is totally okay. You are allowed to want that, and you should be allowed to have that.
But GW2 already has options for people to do that if they want.
No, it doesn't. The "not totally skimpy" female armor sets and outfits are extremely limited, and even those sport high heels and/or naked hips/ribs/back/shoulders/thighs or enhance your boobs' size. Not cool.
Which armor sets specifically are you referring to? Which armor sets aren't skimpy, according to you?
@Dragon Priestess.9760 said:
I really do understand that some people want to play with practical armour - and that is totally okay. You are allowed to want that, and you should be allowed to have that.
But GW2 already has options for people to do that if they want.
No, it doesn't. The "not totally skimpy" female armor sets and outfits are extremely limited, and even those sport high heels and/or naked hips/ribs/back/shoulders/thighs or enhance your boobs' size. Not cool.
How many do you find "skimpy"? And how many "not skimpy"? There are 25 sets in that list (8 with 3 weights plus Mistward which is only heavy) Just to see the direction Anet is heading towards.
Can you just request a Black Bin Bag Outfit, and leave the “skimpy” (in your opinion) armor to the rest of us?
There’s so much to choose from in-game and Anet can cater to both prudes and non-prudes alike. Suggesting that Anet shouldn’t ever make sexy/revealing armor is a terrible idea, many players want that kind of armor.
@Haleydawn.3764 said:
Can you just request a Black Bin Bag Outfit, and leave the “skimpy” (in your opinion) armor to the rest of us?
There’s so much to choose from in-game and Anet can cater to both prudes and non-prudes alike. Suggesting that Anet shouldn’t ever make sexy/revealing armor is a terrible idea, many players want that kind of armor.
I've seen this before: It's not their equipment that's the problem, it's everyone else that doesn't conform to their standard of what they believe we should be allowed to equip.
If this going to happend lets turn all amor unisex cowering all shapes and skin so with ability to hide voice so no one will be triggered(seriusly people telling that women wear or not wear. I dont get why showing skin and our shapes offends ppl so much. And gw2 has very limited wardrobe of skimpy amor.) Let ppl use what amor they want. If it offends you. You should avoid beaches irl since you clearly cant handle it for it dont affect you who is offended .
@Haleydawn.3764 said:
Can you just request a Black Bin Bag Outfit, and leave the “skimpy” (in your opinion) armor to the rest of us?
There’s so much to choose from in-game and Anet can cater to both prudes and non-prudes alike. Suggesting that Anet shouldn’t ever make sexy/revealing armor is a terrible idea, many players want that kind of armor.
I've seen this before: It's not their equipment that's the problem, it's everyone else that doesn't conform to their standard of what they believe we should be allowed to equip.
Oddly enough, even that can be addressed through game settings, as those of us with potato computers could attest. I just see vague gray blobs everywhere I go.
@Obtena.7952 said:
Of ALL the female boot skins you can equip, just how many are 'high heels'?
To play devil's advocate, I remember going through the light female armor skins and noticing that there were, indeed, a lot of boots and shoes with high heels. However, only a tiny handful were genuine "you could break your ankle wearing this torture contraption" high heels. Most were fairly subtle, much like riding boots, which seems perfectly reasonable to me.
OK .. but I think the problem here is that we have a person who's issue isn't that there are too many 'high heels', it's that there are ANY high heels. That's not reasonable. Until this person tells us what their standard is for what is 'high heels' and 'skimpy' armor, the response is very simple; Anet can't cater to someone's subjective opinions about what is acceptable to them or not.
If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:
@Obtena.7952 said:
Of ALL the female boot skins you can equip, just how many are 'high heels'?
To play devil's advocate, I remember going through the light female armor skins and noticing that there were, indeed, a lot of boots and shoes with high heels. However, only a tiny handful were genuine "you could break your ankle wearing this torture contraption" high heels. Most were fairly subtle, much like riding boots, which seems perfectly reasonable to me.
OK .. but I think the problem here is that we have a person who's issue isn't that there are too many 'high heels', it's that there are ANY high heels. That's not reasonable. Until this person tells us what their standard is for what is 'high heels' and 'skimpy' armor, the response is very simple; Anet can't cater to someone's subjective opinions about what is acceptable to them or not.
Funny because I looked through the wardrobe and I wouldn't consider any of them 'high heels', by my standards (granted with my woman card.) All of the footwear that has a heel in game are low-mid high riding boots.
@Obtena.7952 said:
Of ALL the female boot skins you can equip, just how many are 'high heels'?
To play devil's advocate, I remember going through the light female armor skins and noticing that there were, indeed, a lot of boots and shoes with high heels. However, only a tiny handful were genuine "you could break your ankle wearing this torture contraption" high heels. Most were fairly subtle, much like riding boots, which seems perfectly reasonable to me.
OK .. but I think the problem here is that we have a person who's issue isn't that there are too many 'high heels', it's that there are ANY high heels. That's not reasonable. Until this person tells us what their standard is for what is 'high heels' and 'skimpy' armor, the response is very simple; Anet can't cater to someone's subjective opinions about what is acceptable to them or not.
Funny because I looked through the wardrobe and I wouldn't consider any of them 'high heels', by my standards (granted with my woman card.) All of the footwear that has a heel in game are low-mid high riding boots.
Considering that half the point of high heels is to encourage a change of posture, and that different boot types don't produce different animations AFAIK, it's sort of an all or nothing proposition: either nothing is functionally a high heel, or everything is and changing artwork on future boot skins won't change that.
.. why is this even a thing? It's a video game; I don't care much for reality seeping in and ruining it. I mean, I don't care if you run around in your underwear, but when you start to try and take things away from people. I guess I don't understand. Video games is as close as I get to public interaction, for the most part. Social anxiety is fun. and it sucks
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OP, you play your game and I'll play mine. Please do not assume you know how I, or others want or would like our characters to look. If you had said "please let there be more non-skimpy choices" I would have supported you 100% as choice is always good but when you are advocating for the elimination of any future armor/outfits that are a bit more skimpier than your tastes run I have to say NO.
You do not get to impose your desires on myself and the others that have posted here that like and utilize the skimpier armor/outfits.
It's time to put a stop to the "I don't like it so no one can have it" movement.
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...I was bored.
So, I can't check all of these in-game right now (I'll do that tonight if I get time), but from what I can see on the wiki, the armor sets that have high heels are as follows:
Female light armor:
Cabalist
Exalted
Apprentice
Magician
Carapace
Phoenix
Diviner
Council Ministry
Winged
Zodiac
Incarnate
The three separate tiers of Envoy (legendary) armor
Female medium armor:
Firstborn (sylvari cultural armor)
Three tiers of Envoy armor
Female heavy armor:
Phalanx
Three tiers of Envoy armor...maybe.
Of those, only Cabalist, Winged, Incarnate, Zodiac, and Carapace actually had high heels (most pronounced on female sylvari); the rest are more like riding boots, which are in no way impractical. And of those, only Zodiac can even truly count as "high" heels; the others are still incredibly low, so it appears I was wrong in my earlier assessment; blame my spectacularly bad memory on that one.
TL;DR: For light armor, 14 out of 77 armor sets have heels. Might be off on that count because I may have missed some, but it's roughly about that. That's about 63 light armor sets that have no heels whatsoever, counting all of the human/norn/sylvari cultural armor. There are two sets of medium female armor that have heels (well, five, if you count the three different tiers of Envoy armor as separate from each other). One set of heavy armor has heels.
TL;DR part 2: There is nothing to complain about on this front. [mic drop]
@Batel.9206 said:
TL;DR: For light armor, 14 out of 77 armor sets have heels. Might be off on that count because I may have missed some, but it's roughly about that. That's about 63 light armor sets that have no heels whatsoever, counting all of the human/norn/sylvari cultural armor. There are two sets of medium female armor that have heels (well, five, if you count the three different tiers of Envoy armor as separate from each other). One set of heavy armor has heels.
TL;DR part 2: There is nothing to complain about on this front. [mic drop]
Thanks for doing the research. (It's the sort of thing I wish that thread creators would do more often: find out more details about the situations before making a request, leveling a critique, or offering a suggestion.)
...clearly, I have too much time on my hands.
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I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
heck no, I want like more fur and bone based armor. Some conan armor for male characters would be cool, so that I could have my norn have that barbarian look or maybe a shirtless top for my norn to show off his tattoos. I feel like the game is TOO conservative with showing skin as it is (I play male, more norn than anything else if anything else besides charr.) Id love to have for example a fur loin-clothe that hangs to my ankles with rendered textures, mixed with chain-mail, hide and a skull belt. Fur wraps around my arms and legs and no shirt so everyone can see my tattoos which is one of the norns big things. (Only race to have tattoos is norn... let us show em.)
How about some tribalistic, shaman armor for charr or some more animal hide (Like the new raven head and shoulders) for norn? Nah we have enough practical armor, this is a fantasy game and we need more options to fill the niches. I respect that you might be sensitive about skimpy armor, but that is your choice not to wear it and it is mine to do so at my behest.
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
a lot of the medium armours are tench-coats or huge coats of some kind. while some are effeminate, most of these coats are unisex in appeal
that said, imo medium class could use more light jackets/vests over shirts with short/no sleeves (like the krytan jerkin) or tight fitting suits (akin to elegy/requiem but with less shiny/metal bits dangling) - stuff that could express the female curves without being skimpy (so we wont offend the OP and the like) while the male version of these could be all macho (shirts/jackets) or sleek looking (stealthy body suit) with these
Can we have MORE skimpy armor sets? Especially regular looking clothing like t-shirts, tank tops, jeans, beach wear, bikini's, sandals, hats (with keeping hair styles). We've only been asking since launch!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
Many (most?) of the female heavy armour sets have boobplates. Are you saying boobplates are masculine?!
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
I disagree. Nearly all of the armor sets in question are designed to emphasize female sexual characteristics even though doing so would negatively impact their function. They are objectively feminine.
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
Many (most?) of the female heavy armour sets have boobplates. Are you saying boobplates are masculine?!
And men have breastplates that looks like a man's chest. I'd assume at least some of those would have been requested to not look like a man's breast on a female, if we're covering the various bases here.
While you can use real-world logic to dictate that women would just wear men's armor, you're glossing over the fact that in the real-world, there isn't a large need for female exclusive body armor.
Further still, I know for a fact, if female armor were carbon copies of male armor people will complain and accuse the creators for being lazy. Confer real-world logic till the cows come home, but players want these rules bent regardless.
@Zhou.3605 said:
I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
Many (most?) of the female heavy armour sets have boobplates. Are you saying boobplates are masculine?!
And men have breastplates that looks like a man's chest. I'd assume at least some of those would have been requested to not look like a man's breast on a female, if we're covering the various bases here.
While you can use real-world logic to dictate that women would just wear men's armor, you're glossing over the fact that in the real-world, there isn't a large need for female exclusive body armor.
Further still, I know for a fact, if female armor were carbon copies of male armor people will complain and accuse the creators for being lazy. Confer real-world logic till the cows come home, but players want these rules bent regardless.
Wow, you're putting an awful lot of words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about real-world armour, make any reference to real-world logic, or suggest that the female armour should be carbon copies of the male armour. I was just questioning the suggestion that boobplates are masculine, nothing more.
It depends what do you mean by skimpy. I was actually trying to find a short skirt for my female mesmer without legs covered - for my pixie look - I don't like the starting piece. I couldn't find any besides the starting piece.
I would like some pixie short skirts without legs covered.
@Ashen.2907 said:
I disagree. Nearly all of the armor sets in question are designed to emphasize female sexual characteristics even though doing so would negatively impact their function. They are objectively feminine.
You might want to have a look at "all" the armors out there like this one. This is the human female heavy Leystone armor. Look at the profile photo in the middle, a flat chest with no breast. There's nothing feminine about this armor except maybe the kilt if people want to consider that feminine. Embarrassed to say, but I actually have this armor, and many others like this.
@Ashen.2907 said:
I disagree. Nearly all of the armor sets in question are designed to emphasize female sexual characteristics even though doing so would negatively impact their function. They are objectively feminine.
You might want to have a look at "all" the armors out there like this one. This is the human female heavy Leystone armor. Look at the profile photo in the middle, a flat chest with no breast. There's nothing feminine about this armor except maybe the kilt if people want to consider that feminine. Embarrassed to say, but I actually have this armor, and many others like this.
Are you kidding? The chest is there but just much less pronounced cause here you are literally wearing a piece of rock and the rest of the silhouette is clearly feminine (waist, hips). If the characteristics were more pronounced it would be a stereotypical caricature.
And this goes for the vast majority of heavy armors. Their femininity is quite a clear part of the design.
As for the OP i think this is the last game that you would make such a complain. There is enough variety to go as skimpy or modest as one would like. If anything the male armor the skimpy choices a bit lacking as there are only a few gladiator-like skins.
@Turin.6921 said:
Are you kidding? The chest is there but just much less pronounced cause here you are literally wearing a piece of rock and the rest of the silhouette is clearly feminine (waist, hips). If the characteristics were more pronounced it would be a stereotypical caricature.
No, you're completely wrong and just imagining things: artificial boobies. There is absolutely no breast in that armor. Look at the profile view from the side, the photo in the middle. The chest is completely flat. I'm telling you dude, that's a 6 foot, 120 pound man in that armor in the photo.
@Turin.6921 said:
Are you kidding? The chest is there but just much less pronounced cause here you are literally wearing a piece of rock and the rest of the silhouette is clearly feminine (waist, hips). If the characteristics were more pronounced it would be a stereotypical caricature.
No, you're completely wrong and just imagining things: artificial boobies. There is absolutely no breast in that armor. Look at the profile view from the side, the photo in the middle. The chest is completely flat. I'm telling you dude, that's a 6 foot, 120 pound man in that armor in the photo.
@Turin.6921 said:
Yeah a man with a slim waist and wide hips. You have a really narrow idea of what femininity is if it only revolves around the chest.
There's a lot of fit men with a slim waist. The hip in the photo is not wide, it's the kilt you're mistakenly staring at. And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
@Bolero Bloodreign.9025 said:
There's a lot of fit men with a slim waist. The hip in the photo is not wide, it's the kilt you're mistakenly staring at. And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
Stop confusing “femininity” with the gender of being Female.
What makes a woman/man “feminine” is demeanor, not boobs.
Should they stop creating any kind of armor simply because it is not to someone's or some group's liking? Certainly not, as far as I am concerned.
I am all for diversity in their design to please most everyone. However, it quite often seems to come down to the designers' preferences. Men focus on different things than women and vise versa. There is also this love for coats and "butt-capes" which I just don't get myself but I won't ask them to "stop making those" as others might enjoy them.
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@Bolero Bloodreign.9025 said:
There's a lot of fit men with a slim waist. The hip in the photo is not wide, it's the kilt you're mistakenly staring at. And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
Stop confusing “femininity” with the gender of being Female.
What makes a woman/man “feminine” is demeanor, not boobs.
I totally disagree. When you're completely covered up in that armor, there is not such thing as demeanor between a man and a woman.
@Bolero Bloodreign.9025 said:
And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
@Bolero Bloodreign.9025 said:
And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
I will just assume you are a teenager.
You assume wrong. I just don't share your style and taste when it comes to female armors. I like them to look feminine.
No one with a brain would use bows when pistols and rifles exist, yet here we are. What's your point? If I wanted realism I'd you know, go outside.
Historically, firearms in Western warfare date to the 13th century, but they didn't start becoming common until the Renaissance. Bows stuck around in armies long after that, into the 17th century in some countries, due to their higher rate of fire and ability to fire indirectly. In the 15th-16th centuries especially, it was common for archers and hand-gunners to fight side by side in the same army. Just saying.
@Bolero Bloodreign.9025 said:
There's a lot of fit men with a slim waist. The hip in the photo is not wide, it's the kilt you're mistakenly staring at. And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
Stop confusing “femininity” with the gender of being Female.
What makes a woman/man “feminine” is demeanor, not boobs.
I totally disagree. When you're completely covered up in that armor, there is not such thing as demeanor between a man and a woman.
Are you saying that with both male and female with the same armour, you can only them apart because of the bust?
What if a man had moobs? Would that be feminim to you?
@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
Are you saying that with both male and female with the same armour, you can only them apart because of the bust?
What if a man had moobs? Would that be feminim to you?
You sound sexually disoriented. Would you make armors with boobs for men and flat for women? Do you realized Arnold Shwarzenegger in the movie Red Sonja had bigger boobs than Bridgette Nielson. Do you think he as Conan the Barbarian is more feminine than her?
Just make all amor as bulky unisex as possible an op will be happy. Since its so extremly offensive lets just make pc male by default that way op probly cant be offended
@Fat Disgrace.4275 said:
Are you saying that with both male and female with the same armour, you can only them apart because of the bust?
What if a man had moobs? Would that be feminim to you?
You sound sexually disoriented. Would you make armors with boobs for men and flat for women? Do you realized Arnold Shwarzenegger in the movie Red Sonja had bigger boobs than Bridgette Nielson. Do you think he as Conan the Barbarian is more feminine than her?
Not at all, I was just replying to your silly comment with my silly comment.
As far as I can remember there are no high heels in the game. There are slightly elevated heels of the kind that has been used by everyone with a decent pair of shoes for the last few hundred years. Heck most heels in the game are so short that they look similar to the ones on contemporary leather shoes used by many men. A heel isn't automatically a high heel just because it's visible.
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And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
I will just assume you are a teenager.
You assume wrong. I just don't share your style and taste when it comes to female armors. I like them to look feminine.
Wait the only thing that signifies femininity on a design to you is boobs? Do not get me wrong i like boobs like any other straight guy but thats its? Boobs or nothing? That is a really narrow definition of the idea of femininity that i would not expect to see that on any person besides the horny teenager . And that is not a just matter of taste.
No one with a brain would use bows when pistols and rifles exist, yet here we are.
Untrue.
Gunpowder weaponry had it's drawbacks well into the industrial age. It was only with the advent of self-contained ammunition that guns finally pushed other weaponry aside.
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I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
Many (most?) of the female heavy armour sets have boobplates. Are you saying boobplates are masculine?!
And men have breastplates that looks like a man's chest. I'd assume at least some of those would have been requested to not look like a man's breast on a female, if we're covering the various bases here.
While you can use real-world logic to dictate that women would just wear men's armor, you're glossing over the fact that in the real-world, there isn't a large need for female exclusive body armor.
Further still, I know for a fact, if female armor were carbon copies of male armor people will complain and accuse the creators for being lazy. Confer real-world logic till the cows come home, but players want these rules bent regardless.
Wow, you're putting an awful lot of words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about real-world armour, make any reference to real-world logic, or suggest that the female armour should be carbon copies of the male armour. I was just questioning the suggestion that boobplates are masculine, nothing more.
I suppose I was addressing the notion of "boobplates" being particularly gendered rather that being custom. It's gendered, sure, but it only seems degrading to some because standards regarding armor are supported by male standards usually with the disregard of females.
The thing about masculinity is it's tinted by perception. Boobplates could be considered masculine to some if you consider practicality in combat as masculine (because it tends to be). Heck, that a female is charging into combat at all is rather masculine but we're not suppose to think that way I guess.
Apologies if I directed an undue argument toward you.
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Tbh I think this person is just a troll at this point.
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There are a lot more conservative outfits and armors then there are skimpy one's... Ever consider that if this game triggers you so much , that it may be isn't for you ?
Which armor sets specifically are you referring to? Which armor sets aren't skimpy, according to you?
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Since your post was asking to "stop making" I posted here all the armor sets we got with the expansions:
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/comment/759723/#Comment_759723
How many do you find "skimpy"? And how many "not skimpy"? There are 25 sets in that list (8 with 3 weights plus Mistward which is only heavy) Just to see the direction Anet is heading towards.
Can you just request a Black Bin Bag Outfit, and leave the “skimpy” (in your opinion) armor to the rest of us?
There’s so much to choose from in-game and Anet can cater to both prudes and non-prudes alike. Suggesting that Anet shouldn’t ever make sexy/revealing armor is a terrible idea, many players want that kind of armor.
Better get a wriggle on.
I've seen this before: It's not their equipment that's the problem, it's everyone else that doesn't conform to their standard of what they believe we should be allowed to equip.
If this going to happend lets turn all amor unisex cowering all shapes and skin so with ability to hide voice so no one will be triggered(seriusly people telling that women wear or not wear. I dont get why showing skin and our shapes offends ppl so much. And gw2 has very limited wardrobe of skimpy amor.) Let ppl use what amor they want. If it offends you. You should avoid beaches irl since you clearly cant handle it for it dont affect you who is offended .
Oddly enough, even that can be addressed through game settings, as those of us with potato computers could attest. I just see vague gray blobs everywhere I go.
OK .. but I think the problem here is that we have a person who's issue isn't that there are too many 'high heels', it's that there are ANY high heels. That's not reasonable. Until this person tells us what their standard is for what is 'high heels' and 'skimpy' armor, the response is very simple; Anet can't cater to someone's subjective opinions about what is acceptable to them or not.
If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/
Funny because I looked through the wardrobe and I wouldn't consider any of them 'high heels', by my standards (granted with my woman card.) All of the footwear that has a heel in game are low-mid high riding boots.
Better get a wriggle on.
Considering that half the point of high heels is to encourage a change of posture, and that different boot types don't produce different animations AFAIK, it's sort of an all or nothing proposition: either nothing is functionally a high heel, or everything is and changing artwork on future boot skins won't change that.
Wait, they made a new armor set?
If we want ANet to step up their game, then we must step up ours.
.. why is this even a thing? It's a video game; I don't care much for reality seeping in and ruining it. I mean, I don't care if you run around in your underwear, but when you start to try and take things away from people. I guess I don't understand. Video games is as close as I get to public interaction, for the most part. Social anxiety is fun. and it sucks
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OP, you play your game and I'll play mine. Please do not assume you know how I, or others want or would like our characters to look. If you had said "please let there be more non-skimpy choices" I would have supported you 100% as choice is always good but when you are advocating for the elimination of any future armor/outfits that are a bit more skimpier than your tastes run I have to say NO.
You do not get to impose your desires on myself and the others that have posted here that like and utilize the skimpier armor/outfits.
It's time to put a stop to the "I don't like it so no one can have it" movement.
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...I was bored.
So, I can't check all of these in-game right now (I'll do that tonight if I get time), but from what I can see on the wiki, the armor sets that have high heels are as follows:
Female light armor:
Cabalist
Exalted
Apprentice
Magician
Carapace
Phoenix
Diviner
Council Ministry
Winged
Zodiac
Incarnate
The three separate tiers of Envoy (legendary) armor
Female medium armor:
Firstborn (sylvari cultural armor)
Three tiers of Envoy armor
Female heavy armor:
Phalanx
Three tiers of Envoy armor...maybe.
Of those, only Cabalist, Winged, Incarnate, Zodiac, and Carapace actually had high heels (most pronounced on female sylvari); the rest are more like riding boots, which are in no way impractical. And of those, only Zodiac can even truly count as "high" heels; the others are still incredibly low, so it appears I was wrong in my earlier assessment; blame my spectacularly bad memory on that one.
TL;DR: For light armor, 14 out of 77 armor sets have heels. Might be off on that count because I may have missed some, but it's roughly about that. That's about 63 light armor sets that have no heels whatsoever, counting all of the human/norn/sylvari cultural armor. There are two sets of medium female armor that have heels (well, five, if you count the three different tiers of Envoy armor as separate from each other). One set of heavy armor has heels.
TL;DR part 2: There is nothing to complain about on this front. [mic drop]
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Thanks for doing the research. (It's the sort of thing I wish that thread creators would do more often: find out more details about the situations before making a request, leveling a critique, or offering a suggestion.)
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I gotta say this....My roommate, who is female, has the same complaint. Well in opposition to you. I mean...she loves heels and hates that there are literally like one attempt maybe two at heels in general. And she thinks they suck. I mean....I agree that as far as heavy and medium armor goes...nothing is girly really. I feel it would be great to have some options where my heavy and medium armor characters are not busy trying to be men. Last time I checked it was okay to be a girl.... but I dunno these days if you can't dress like a man then for some reason its offensive. But then... you can dress like a man or woman in GW2. Just less often can you be effeminate if you are heavy or medium armor. Heavy you are a Knight of the Round Table usually, and medium you are a pirate....Yarr do not get me started on that kitten medium armor that makes you look like a kitten rooster....
More heels, more effeminate armors.. Please. I am tired of it being wrong to be a girl and only right to be a man.
heck no, I want like more fur and bone based armor. Some conan armor for male characters would be cool, so that I could have my norn have that barbarian look or maybe a shirtless top for my norn to show off his tattoos. I feel like the game is TOO conservative with showing skin as it is (I play male, more norn than anything else if anything else besides charr.) Id love to have for example a fur loin-clothe that hangs to my ankles with rendered textures, mixed with chain-mail, hide and a skull belt. Fur wraps around my arms and legs and no shirt so everyone can see my tattoos which is one of the norns big things. (Only race to have tattoos is norn... let us show em.)
How about some tribalistic, shaman armor for charr or some more animal hide (Like the new raven head and shoulders) for norn? Nah we have enough practical armor, this is a fantasy game and we need more options to fill the niches. I respect that you might be sensitive about skimpy armor, but that is your choice not to wear it and it is mine to do so at my behest.
Nearly all of the female medium and heavy armors are feminine.
I am not saying they do not show that the character is female. But they are without a doubt masculine femininity.
a lot of the medium armours are tench-coats or huge coats of some kind. while some are effeminate, most of these coats are unisex in appeal
that said, imo medium class could use more light jackets/vests over shirts with short/no sleeves (like the krytan jerkin) or tight fitting suits (akin to elegy/requiem but with less shiny/metal bits dangling) - stuff that could express the female curves without being skimpy (so we wont offend the OP and the like) while the male version of these could be all macho (shirts/jackets) or sleek looking (stealthy body suit) with these
Can we have MORE skimpy armor sets? Especially regular looking clothing like t-shirts, tank tops, jeans, beach wear, bikini's, sandals, hats (with keeping hair styles). We've only been asking since launch!!!!!!!!!!!!
Many (most?) of the female heavy armour sets have boobplates. Are you saying boobplates are masculine?!
I disagree. Nearly all of the armor sets in question are designed to emphasize female sexual characteristics even though doing so would negatively impact their function. They are objectively feminine.
And men have breastplates that looks like a man's chest. I'd assume at least some of those would have been requested to not look like a man's breast on a female, if we're covering the various bases here.
While you can use real-world logic to dictate that women would just wear men's armor, you're glossing over the fact that in the real-world, there isn't a large need for female exclusive body armor.
Further still, I know for a fact, if female armor were carbon copies of male armor people will complain and accuse the creators for being lazy. Confer real-world logic till the cows come home, but players want these rules bent regardless.
Wow, you're putting an awful lot of words into my mouth. I didn't say anything about real-world armour, make any reference to real-world logic, or suggest that the female armour should be carbon copies of the male armour. I was just questioning the suggestion that boobplates are masculine, nothing more.
It depends what do you mean by skimpy. I was actually trying to find a short skirt for my female mesmer without legs covered - for my pixie look - I don't like the starting piece. I couldn't find any besides the starting piece.
I would like some pixie short skirts without legs covered.
You might want to have a look at "all" the armors out there like this one. This is the human female heavy Leystone armor. Look at the profile photo in the middle, a flat chest with no breast. There's nothing feminine about this armor except maybe the kilt if people want to consider that feminine. Embarrassed to say, but I actually have this armor, and many others like this.
gw2-leystone-heavy-armor-female.jpg
Are you kidding? The chest is there but just much less pronounced cause here you are literally wearing a piece of rock and the rest of the silhouette is clearly feminine (waist, hips). If the characteristics were more pronounced it would be a stereotypical caricature.
And this goes for the vast majority of heavy armors. Their femininity is quite a clear part of the design.
As for the OP i think this is the last game that you would make such a complain. There is enough variety to go as skimpy or modest as one would like. If anything the male armor the skimpy choices a bit lacking as there are only a few gladiator-like skins.
No, you're completely wrong and just imagining things: artificial boobies. There is absolutely no breast in that armor. Look at the profile view from the side, the photo in the middle. The chest is completely flat. I'm telling you dude, that's a 6 foot, 120 pound man in that armor in the photo.
gw2-leystone-heavy-armor-female.jpg
Yeah a man with a slim waist and wide hips. You have a really narrow idea of what femininity is if it only revolves around the chest.
There's a lot of fit men with a slim waist. The hip in the photo is not wide, it's the kilt you're mistakenly staring at. And I can tell you for a fact a big part of what makes a woman feminine are breasts on a woman, something you refuse to notice that armor is lacking.
Stop confusing “femininity” with the gender of being Female.
What makes a woman/man “feminine” is demeanor, not boobs.
Better get a wriggle on.
Should they stop creating any kind of armor simply because it is not to someone's or some group's liking? Certainly not, as far as I am concerned.
I am all for diversity in their design to please most everyone. However, it quite often seems to come down to the designers' preferences. Men focus on different things than women and vise versa. There is also this love for coats and "butt-capes" which I just don't get myself but I won't ask them to "stop making those" as others might enjoy them.
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I totally disagree. When you're completely covered up in that armor, there is not such thing as demeanor between a man and a woman.
I will just assume you are a teenager.
You assume wrong. I just don't share your style and taste when it comes to female armors. I like them to look feminine.
Historically, firearms in Western warfare date to the 13th century, but they didn't start becoming common until the Renaissance. Bows stuck around in armies long after that, into the 17th century in some countries, due to their higher rate of fire and ability to fire indirectly. In the 15th-16th centuries especially, it was common for archers and hand-gunners to fight side by side in the same army. Just saying.
Are you saying that with both male and female with the same armour, you can only them apart because of the bust?
What if a man had moobs? Would that be feminim to you?
You sound sexually disoriented. Would you make armors with boobs for men and flat for women? Do you realized Arnold Shwarzenegger in the movie Red Sonja had bigger boobs than Bridgette Nielson. Do you think he as Conan the Barbarian is more feminine than her?
Just make all amor as bulky unisex as possible an op will be happy. Since its so extremly offensive lets just make pc male by default that way op probly cant be offended
Not at all, I was just replying to your silly comment with my silly comment.
And I just threw it right back at you with the Arnold comment. We knew the little game you were playing.
But my first part comment still stands though.
It depends on the armor.
As far as I can remember there are no high heels in the game. There are slightly elevated heels of the kind that has been used by everyone with a decent pair of shoes for the last few hundred years. Heck most heels in the game are so short that they look similar to the ones on contemporary leather shoes used by many men. A heel isn't automatically a high heel just because it's visible.
PvP? What's that? Never heard of it.
Wait the only thing that signifies femininity on a design to you is boobs? Do not get me wrong i like boobs like any other straight guy but thats its? Boobs or nothing? That is a really narrow definition of the idea of femininity that i would not expect to see that on any person besides the horny teenager . And that is not a just matter of taste.
Untrue.
Gunpowder weaponry had it's drawbacks well into the industrial age. It was only with the advent of self-contained ammunition that guns finally pushed other weaponry aside.
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I suppose I was addressing the notion of "boobplates" being particularly gendered rather that being custom. It's gendered, sure, but it only seems degrading to some because standards regarding armor are supported by male standards usually with the disregard of females.
The thing about masculinity is it's tinted by perception. Boobplates could be considered masculine to some if you consider practicality in combat as masculine (because it tends to be). Heck, that a female is charging into combat at all is rather masculine but we're not suppose to think that way I guess.
Apologies if I directed an undue argument toward you.